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  • ? Guest
    We really also need payment neutrality. I don't like the content that's being removed, but I really don't like that visa gets to decide that websites are allowed to show, sell, and everything else. I don't give half a damn if someone decides to swipe their card at the heroin and machine gun store, visa shouldn't be the one deciding that they can't make that transaction
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    Fully agreed. On the service-provider side, we have 'safe harbor' laws: A site isn't liable for copyrighted user-generated content as long as they have mechanisms to take down items when notified. Liability-wise: The payment processors should have no fucking insight into what is being sold, only that they handle the transactions. Therefore, they should have no liability, similar to "safe harbor". Reputation-wise: I can almost see a history where Visa, for example, used a statement like "we don't handle transactions for X" as a marketing ploy... but that is way past where we are. There's no chance of reputational damage to a payment processor for the items for which they handled a payment. Combined with the above, if I say I'm giving $20 to Tim, you give $20 to Tim and take it from me. Done. Not your problem. As another commenter stated, the payment processor should be a dumb pipe, and anything illegal being sold should be a liability for the seller or buyer. The idea of a moral judgement of the processor is as stupid as a water pipe to your house cutting off the flow if your shower runs too long. The real problem is the politicians, or lobbyists/influencers, who are sending bribes to each other to gain advantage... but visa doesn't have a problem handling a venmo transaction for 'tuition'. Let me buy horny games until after you block world superpower corruption first. But honestly, don't even do that. Just handle moving the money when someone send it. That's your only job.
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    • A azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
      > 16 transactions per second Please, that's *nothing*. In a mass adoption scenario, the whole thing would either crumble or eat a significant portion of the world's electric production. I won't have an argument about the futility of the whole decentralization endeavor and how it fails to meaningfully address any of the very real concerns that central banking has addressed over the centuries. History has already proven all of you fools.
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      It's 16 tps right now because that's the current demand, highest tps recorded was 57, not counting L2s which are doing 200 tps right now ([stats](https://l2beat.com/scaling/activity)) and can handle way more, for example the biggest one called base can handle 1400 tps alone and the next major eth upgrade is targeting 100000 tps capability.
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      • ? Guest
        Is national payment processing the solution?... International public payment processing?
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        jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
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        Unironically crupto
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        • ? Guest
          Yeah that even applies to some games that aren’t porn games but just feature nudity like the Fear & Hunger series.
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          These at least show up when logged in but are there ones that you can't see at all without VPN?
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          • L lwl@lemmy.world
            While the effect of not having as much random porn on steam is kinda nice, the underlying reasons for this are fucking horrifying because it's further proof that some giant american companies (visa, paypal, mastercard) are the global morality police. And it's just random porn subgenres getting removed anyway so it kinda does nothing about the flood of those anyway.
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            > While the effect of not having as much random porn on steam is kinda nice, the underlying reasons for this are fucking horrifying because it’s further proof that some giant american companies (visa, paypal, mastercard) are the global morality police. They have been for decades. You just aren't going to see news stories anywhere major when what's being banned by the morality police is something like loli or zoo content, but stuff no one wants to publicly defend are targeted first to set precedent to justify anything else they might want to ban later. See the H.L. Mencken quote about defending scoundrels.
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              ![](https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/3d4d3bb4-67c7-40fd-9458-238f50f665f2.jpeg) ![](https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/18ca679a-096b-45d5-8c80-c92e1a360a84.jpeg) ![](https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/e6f2a7ff-0f8b-450e-9349-7d73de00ac55.jpeg) [Source](https://bsky.app/profile/steamdb.info/post/3lu32vdlsmg27).
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              I was gonna get The Adventures of Kincaid,a furry porn game where you can screw several characters and enemies when you defeat them. The player character is female, and the sex is framed as the character patching up defeated enemies. There is a similar free game called Naughty Rabbit by a Japanese developer called Be Kon Box... but it is kinda rapey until you realize the females can refuse sex if you don't do it right, which makes me wonder if the sexual dynamics of the world involve kicking ass as courtship before screwing. Also he added some dynamics where the female enemies sexually assault the male player character. Its kinda fascinating.
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                Unironically crupto
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                mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
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                Agreed. I like to dunk on cryptobros as much as the next guy/gal, but crypto is the first actual solution that comes to mind here
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                • skullgrid@lemmy.worldS skullgrid@lemmy.world
                  On the one hand, oh noz, the incest games. Who will live without the low effort AI goon crap? On the other hand, why do the payment companies get to dictate what sales are made? It's my fucking money, or my fucking store. It's not the job of the payment processors to determine if I'm buying illegal goods, just that the money goes from me to the store.
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                  nickwitha_k (he/him)
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                  I'm in a similar boat. I actively dislike incest/fauxcest porn and porn games. I don't find it "naughty taboo" but gross and often fetishizing straight-up abuse. I'm not sad to see such games and videos, that I can never quite filter out because they are never consistently tagged, go. I am worried that they will try pulling the same shit as Tumblr and OF.
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                  • ? Guest
                    God forbid I pin the actual reason for the complaint that is effecting you and explain why.
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                    finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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                    God forbid anything be due to a loss of consumer rights due to deregulation caused by conservatives. No, instead it must be capitalism. Everything bad is capitalism. The reason China is a dictatorship is because Capitalism. Israeli ethnic cleansing as well as the prior milleniums of holy war? Believe it or not, Capitalism.
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                    • S skozzii@lemmy.ca
                      After looking at the game list, I fully support this and urge anyone who doesn't to look at the banned games.
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                      It doesn't matter what was banned. It could be the most heinous shit imaginable and payment processors dictating what is allowed to exist would still be horrible.
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                      • ? Guest
                        Stop using children as a stand-in for your discomfort. That is so overdone.
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                        I'm sure you have your limit too. Otherwise you're lying to yourself. I think children not getting exposed for cartoon porn is a pretty good stop. Especially when the perpetrators seem to think it's harmless. Stop pretending that furries is about anything other than fantasy of fucking your favorite cartoon please.
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                        • I iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
                          Why shouldn't the payment processors get a say in the payments they process? Illegal or not, why should they be forced to process payments that facilitate things against their beliefs? Steam could pursue other payment processing possibilities instead of acquiescing to their demands.
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                          Because they're functionally a utility. If they want to throw their weight around they should be forced to compete with a public option
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                            Oh no, anyway.
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                            I don't care about these games and not even about steam, but a payment provider having any power over what content a service offers is really bad. It's like your supermarket checking if you eat your food they sold you with cutlery.
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                              Unironically crupto
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                              I think steam payments alone might overwhelm most of the crypto networks.
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                                I think steam payments alone might overwhelm most of the crypto networks.
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                                jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
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                                Depends on which one, old bitcoin? Yeah. And don't even talk about lightning network, I hate it so much lol.
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                                • L lwl@lemmy.world
                                  While the effect of not having as much random porn on steam is kinda nice, the underlying reasons for this are fucking horrifying because it's further proof that some giant american companies (visa, paypal, mastercard) are the global morality police. And it's just random porn subgenres getting removed anyway so it kinda does nothing about the flood of those anyway.
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                                  >While the effect of not having as much random porn on steam is kinda nice There's a box you have to check in your settings to even see it. Just turn that off if you don't want to see it.
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                                    ![](https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/3d4d3bb4-67c7-40fd-9458-238f50f665f2.jpeg) ![](https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/18ca679a-096b-45d5-8c80-c92e1a360a84.jpeg) ![](https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/e6f2a7ff-0f8b-450e-9349-7d73de00ac55.jpeg) [Source](https://bsky.app/profile/steamdb.info/post/3lu32vdlsmg27).
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                                    Not a fan of porn games (which aren't available here anyway), but that is not a good sign. Why would they even cater to payment providers? They should not be able to determine whether you bought a porn game or a regular game, just that it's something on Steam.
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                                      ![](https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/3d4d3bb4-67c7-40fd-9458-238f50f665f2.jpeg) ![](https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/18ca679a-096b-45d5-8c80-c92e1a360a84.jpeg) ![](https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/e6f2a7ff-0f8b-450e-9349-7d73de00ac55.jpeg) [Source](https://bsky.app/profile/steamdb.info/post/3lu32vdlsmg27).
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                                      Does this mean they got rid of that one game where you drug your sister/wife repeatedly so a guy in the hallway doesn't kill you? 12 Minutes that's what it was called !
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                                        Does this mean they got rid of that one game where you drug your sister/wife repeatedly so a guy in the hallway doesn't kill you? 12 Minutes that's what it was called !
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                                        I thought you were talking about Crusader Kings III
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                                        • I iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
                                          > shipping company should be able to refuse to ship products from businesses they don’t approve of Sure, I don't have a problem with that. I would use another shipping company. > What about either of those companies refusing service to someone because of their sexual orientation or gender identity? That is not remotely the same thing and a gross false equivalence. We're talking about platforming incest hentai games and you're making a comparison to serving Black and queer people. I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this, have a good one.
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                                          If you seriously don't understand how often queer content is falsely linked to sexual depravity in order to censor it, please take a closer look at the rhetoric of the far-right in the United States and U.K. It is absolutely not a false equivalence, it is a very serious threat that other queer game developers are now *very* concerned about.
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