I wish there was more that I could do to stop these irresponsible callous killings by the US government in Venezuela.
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@futurebird unfortunately Rand Paul is an extreme outlier among the GOP (always has been a principled noninterventionist), so his response doesn't tell you much about the general "conservative" attitude to these extrajudicial killings.
He wasn't even all that upset about the ... you know the murder part. It was more "nyah I don't want my tax dollars in this war"
I ... I will take it I suppose.
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I wish there was more that I could do to stop these irresponsible callous killings by the US government in Venezuela. I wrote notes to my congresspeople. But, is there any thing anyone else is doing?
Rand Paul* pointed out that for some drug dealers we say “go back to your country” and turn them away but for these people they are murdered. Why?
It’s provocation and bullying. The US military is trying to start a war. We all SEE it. I’m outraged.
*shows how universal the disgust is
@futurebird sort of feels like this is a pretext to hands on the oil
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@futurebird sort of feels like this is a pretext to hands on the oil
It doesn't make much sense otherwise. Though I'm happy to have anyone fill me in more.
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I wish there was more that I could do to stop these irresponsible callous killings by the US government in Venezuela. I wrote notes to my congresspeople. But, is there any thing anyone else is doing?
Rand Paul* pointed out that for some drug dealers we say “go back to your country” and turn them away but for these people they are murdered. Why?
It’s provocation and bullying. The US military is trying to start a war. We all SEE it. I’m outraged.
*shows how universal the disgust is
The US Military has bombed ten small boats under the thin pretext of "drugs" and has not explained to the American public why they are doing any of this.
What is the win condition? The president says "we are just going to kill people bringing drugs into our country" how long? To what end? You are going to war with "drugs" how do you win?
This is wrong.
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The US Military has bombed ten small boats under the thin pretext of "drugs" and has not explained to the American public why they are doing any of this.
What is the win condition? The president says "we are just going to kill people bringing drugs into our country" how long? To what end? You are going to war with "drugs" how do you win?
This is wrong.
@futurebird I caught this piece recently that persuasively suggests these illegal attacks are a prelude to miliatry regime change.
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@futurebird I caught this piece recently that persuasively suggests these illegal attacks are a prelude to miliatry regime change.
The US has done this before.
If this turns into Vietnam whose kids will get sent? Whose bridges are being left to rust and hospitals being shut down to pay for a war that the US is starting?
We could just trade with these countries and make money, arrest any drug dealers at the border. Be normal.
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The US Military has bombed ten small boats under the thin pretext of "drugs" and has not explained to the American public why they are doing any of this.
What is the win condition? The president says "we are just going to kill people bringing drugs into our country" how long? To what end? You are going to war with "drugs" how do you win?
This is wrong.
@futurebird Where's the proof of drugs?
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The US Military has bombed ten small boats under the thin pretext of "drugs" and has not explained to the American public why they are doing any of this.
What is the win condition? The president says "we are just going to kill people bringing drugs into our country" how long? To what end? You are going to war with "drugs" how do you win?
This is wrong.
@futurebird Venezuela (a Russian ally) is threatening Guyana (a close American ally); there's been a referendum and everything. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/04/venezuela-referendum-2023-results-guyana-region-claim-succeeds-sovereignty-essequibo
Owning Essequibo means owning the offshore rights to the Stabroek Block and a lot of easily accessed light sweet crude. (Venezuela's reserves are large but not generally the good stuff.)
For whatever reason, the official story is "drugs", and the USG has stuck rigidly to that and there isn't any actual news reporting in the US to speak of.
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@futurebird Where's the proof of drugs?
There is none. The Trump administration does not want public open discussion of the real motives.
They want us, the public to just trust that they are “getting the bad guys” and not starting a boondoggle that will be expensive in lives and the US budget.
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@futurebird Venezuela (a Russian ally) is threatening Guyana (a close American ally); there's been a referendum and everything. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/04/venezuela-referendum-2023-results-guyana-region-claim-succeeds-sovereignty-essequibo
Owning Essequibo means owning the offshore rights to the Stabroek Block and a lot of easily accessed light sweet crude. (Venezuela's reserves are large but not generally the good stuff.)
For whatever reason, the official story is "drugs", and the USG has stuck rigidly to that and there isn't any actual news reporting in the US to speak of.
Thank you for the context, Graydon!
