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Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.
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They might sort of have to do this or risk being cut off, given the loss of US Net Neutrality and the new pro-business-rights administration.We really also need payment neutrality. I don't like the content that's being removed, but I really don't like that visa gets to decide that websites are allowed to show, sell, and everything else. I don't give half a damn if someone decides to swipe their card at the heroin and machine gun store, visa shouldn't be the one deciding that they can't make that transaction
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I wish that was the case. It's mostly just extreme right lobbying groups like Focus on the Family and the Alliance Defending Freedom, the same groups that control the far right, exert colonial control over impoverished African countries, and generally make the world a worse place for everyone. The same groups that manufactured cases to screw up Dobbs, Wedding cake lawsuits, and death penalty laws for LGBTQ citizens of Uganda.This has (((THE JEWS))) energy. “The right” doesn’t control your access to big booty mommy incest porn. PayPal is doing this because it looks bad when op-eds are published showing their network is used to purchase questionable content. It’s the reason Visa and Mastercard shut down PornHub. This is why we need to foster the growth and adoption of cryptocurrencies like monero. The current payment providers are too big for their britches. They know customers don’t have any other choice.
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That's the fucking thing. It's played up to the point that kids might find it and like it. It wouldn't be a problem if they didn't fucking have conventions celebrating it. With kids.I think you should be more concerned about easily accessible things like hentai sites, weirdos, elsagate, etc. I don't know if there are any free hentai games on Steam (and if there are, they shouldn't be free), but children certainly shouldn't have free access to Steam (or even the internet in general), and if some parents kids can just spend their parents money on hentai, then maybe those parents should rethink their parenting methods and pay more attention to their kids, imho. Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
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   [Source](https://bsky.app/profile/steamdb.info/post/3lu32vdlsmg27).
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And literally not a single one of them is useful for the purpose of quick, efficient, and secure transactions. Blockchains are slow and inefficient by design, since they need to build consensus. On any sufficiently popular blockchain, transactions are either fast or secure, never both. The "fix" that the crypto industry has come up with is to re-invent banks, except with even more crime and virtually no regulations. Now you're just entrusting FTX with your coins to enjoy "immediate" transfers, how could that possibly go wrong?[getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/) 1 minute average confirmation time, private by default. Eth average confirmation time is 6 seconds and right now it's doing 16 transactions per second, not counting L2s. Blockchains are way more secure than a centralized database controlled by a financial institution that can freeze or deny you the right to use your money or fat-finger your life savings away with no recourse.
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Which is why the retailer, Steam, already restricts certain regions from buying titles if they are deemed illegal in that region. Again, it is not the authority of the payment processors to dictate what people can and cannot purchase. Period. No excuses or justifications will be accepted.You are still refusing to acknowledge that regional legislation can easily prohibit purchases from sources that facilitate illegal products. I have never heard of a case where payment processors refuse to authorize payment of a legal product because they don't like the product. Do you comprehend how big of a problem it is if a payment processor can't authorize payments to steam? That's not something they do for the fun of it. It's because there are legal hurdles. Everyday they can't authorize payments is lost revenue, and risk of losing customers. I'm sorry, but you will just have to source your incest porn games from somewhere else.
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I was surprised to see that you are correct. 173 StGB only mentions "Beischlaf" and that is indeed only vaginal intercourse. You learn something new every day.
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   [Source](https://bsky.app/profile/steamdb.info/post/3lu32vdlsmg27).I didn't know this till I heard a podcast series about this, but the global rulemakes for porn are Visa and Mastercard. They decide what "goes too far" and remove a site from their service if they don't like it, effectively cutting off all revenue streams and killing the site. They did this with porn sites and threatened OnlyFans. There are a bunch of rules they've written for the industry (e.g. fingering an orofice with4 fingers was acceptable, but when the thumb goes in then it becomes "fisting" and this used to be unacceptable), but many rules are unwritten and have to be guessed. [I think this is the podcast series](https://www.ft.com/content/762e4648-06d7-4abd-8d1e-ccefb74b3244) for anyone interested (although I heard this a long time ago and I'm not sure if it was a different series and I'm not going to listen again to confirm).
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I think you should be more concerned about easily accessible things like hentai sites, weirdos, elsagate, etc. I don't know if there are any free hentai games on Steam (and if there are, they shouldn't be free), but children certainly shouldn't have free access to Steam (or even the internet in general), and if some parents kids can just spend their parents money on hentai, then maybe those parents should rethink their parenting methods and pay more attention to their kids, imho. Translated with DeepL.com (free version)Completely agree on that. We have set an age and before that, our kids wont have an account in anything. 13 is the absolute minimum we agreed. Cant really control much after that, not would i want to. They should know what and what not to do in most cases by then. I know i did.
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sure, we're both on the same page, but pointing out non-alternative alternatives isn't exactly a contribution to a discussion.I feel it was a good answer to the question posed > Imagine you can't use visa or mastercard. What other fucking payment card acceptance system are you going to use for payment processing in under 30 seconds?
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[getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/) 1 minute average confirmation time, private by default. Eth average confirmation time is 6 seconds and right now it's doing 16 transactions per second, not counting L2s. Blockchains are way more secure than a centralized database controlled by a financial institution that can freeze or deny you the right to use your money or fat-finger your life savings away with no recourse.> 16 transactions per second Please, that's *nothing*. In a mass adoption scenario, the whole thing would either crumble or eat a significant portion of the world's electric production. I won't have an argument about the futility of the whole decentralization endeavor and how it fails to meaningfully address any of the very real concerns that central banking has addressed over the centuries. History has already proven all of you fools.
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   [Source](https://bsky.app/profile/steamdb.info/post/3lu32vdlsmg27).
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While the effect of not having as much random porn on steam is kinda nice, the underlying reasons for this are fucking horrifying because it's further proof that some giant american companies (visa, paypal, mastercard) are the global morality police. And it's just random porn subgenres getting removed anyway so it kinda does nothing about the flood of those anyway.
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The EU is investigating a digital euro, but you won’t be pleased to learn that one of the key reasons is to *increase* tracking and compliance. Meaning their stated goal is to be able to restrict how the currency is used, by who, when, and on what. The EU is the very last organisation to ever create and maintain an anonymous and agnostic currency.
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JAST, Kagura, DlSite, Itch, Patreon, and GOG are some vendors. I recommend JAST and Kagura, since they are dedicated to perverse games. DlSite is good if you want to buy Japanese exclusive games, and then pirate the unofficially translated versions.Note that from some countries (germany at least) you might need a vpn to access the 18+ parts of DLsite (on that note, both steam and gog have a few porn games delisted if you're in germany, thanks to some "think of the children" people, but JAST sells them anyway if they have it)
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I didn't know this till I heard a podcast series about this, but the global rulemakes for porn are Visa and Mastercard. They decide what "goes too far" and remove a site from their service if they don't like it, effectively cutting off all revenue streams and killing the site. They did this with porn sites and threatened OnlyFans. There are a bunch of rules they've written for the industry (e.g. fingering an orofice with4 fingers was acceptable, but when the thumb goes in then it becomes "fisting" and this used to be unacceptable), but many rules are unwritten and have to be guessed. [I think this is the podcast series](https://www.ft.com/content/762e4648-06d7-4abd-8d1e-ccefb74b3244) for anyone interested (although I heard this a long time ago and I'm not sure if it was a different series and I'm not going to listen again to confirm).yup they did this a LONG time ago with porn sites and DVD sales. I used to work in that industry as a web developer in the early 00s. Third party billers specifically set up for the porn industry thrived because of this. there were many silly rules like you said, no fisting, at most two fingers in the asshole, Incest was "OK" as long as it was "step-" whatever BUT you could get away with it if you laid the ground work initially and say "step-mom" or whatever and then later on just say "mom". Step-Dad was...hit or miss if you could get away with it. Scat was a no go BUT piss was ok IF it was from Europe, sorry US folks, you're not allowed to piss on each other and film it in the good ol United States according to Visa and Mastercard. Finally some stuff like gang bangs or "abuse" porn was fine AS LONG as the girl at the end of the video has a mini interview claiming what a great time she had while covered in jizz. Visa and Mastercard needed to ensure this lady enjoyed herself. fucking really dumb rules and I would have LOVED to be a fly in the room when Visa and Mastercard lawyers came up with these things.
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> shipping company should be able to refuse to ship products from businesses they don’t approve of Sure, I don't have a problem with that. I would use another shipping company. > What about either of those companies refusing service to someone because of their sexual orientation or gender identity? That is not remotely the same thing and a gross false equivalence. We're talking about platforming incest hentai games and you're making a comparison to serving Black and queer people. I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this, have a good one.No, it's similar because it's a business making a value judgement instead of a business judgement. It would be different if your exact argument hadn't been used against those groups in the past. I doubt we'll see eye to eye as well. I'm not okay with discrimination and I don't think the beliefs of corporations matter, even when they're being judgey about sex stuff I don't understand.
