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  • Kevin BeaumontG This user is from outside of this forum
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    Kevin Beaumont
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    Twitter generated child sexual abuse material via its bot.. and then hid behind the bot when apologising.

    โ€œSincerely, Grokโ€.

    Hold executives accountable.

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    • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

      Twitter generated child sexual abuse material via its bot.. and then hid behind the bot when apologising.

      โ€œSincerely, Grokโ€.

      Hold executives accountable.

      myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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      @GossiTheDog

      How did the computer have the kind of training data needed to make such an image?

      No one cares about this?

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        @GossiTheDog

        How did the computer have the kind of training data needed to make such an image?

        No one cares about this?

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        Otte Homan - remember Geordie
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        @futurebird web content scrapers are fairly dumb and take whatever they ended up with in front of them, I guess? @GossiTheDog

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        • Otte Homan - remember GeordieO Otte Homan - remember Geordie

          @futurebird web content scrapers are fairly dumb and take whatever they ended up with in front of them, I guess? @GossiTheDog

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          @otte_homan @GossiTheDog

          I think this is as much an advertisement for what grok "could" do as an apology.

          I guess that's a little cynical, but I don't think it's out of line.

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          • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

            Twitter generated child sexual abuse material via its bot.. and then hid behind the bot when apologising.

            โ€œSincerely, Grokโ€.

            Hold executives accountable.

            myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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            myrmepropagandist
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            @GossiTheDog

            This is so gross.

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              @GossiTheDog

              How did the computer have the kind of training data needed to make such an image?

              No one cares about this?

              GhostOnTheHalfShellG This user is from outside of this forum
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              @futurebird @GossiTheDog

              Early access Epstein files? I am only half kidding here.

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                @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                Early access Epstein files? I am only half kidding here.

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                @GhostOnTheHalfShell @GossiTheDog

                That's something I'll never like about the way these models that don't run on your own machine work. You don't really know what has been "mixed in" to the final image you are looking at.

                Even for innocent things, they could have all sorts of influences.

                And none of these companies carefully vetted their training sets. They just didn't care.

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                • GhostOnTheHalfShellG GhostOnTheHalfShell

                  @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                  Early access Epstein files? I am only half kidding here.

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                  @GhostOnTheHalfShell @GossiTheDog

                  This is giving me an idea for a horror story.

                  The face of a murdered child haunts the machine, comes backs to find the killer.

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                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                    @GossiTheDog

                    How did the computer have the kind of training data needed to make such an image?

                    No one cares about this?

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                    @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                    LLM doesnt need to be trained on such content to be able to generate them.
                    It learns how things would look and can generate something it has never seen before - much like humans.

                    I find it a quite hypocritical that media itself sexualizes teens and preteens under the banner of sexual freedom, while showing fake outrage.

                    The movie Cuties, meant to show the dangers of this ends up being a medium of exploitation itself.

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                      @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                      LLM doesnt need to be trained on such content to be able to generate them.
                      It learns how things would look and can generate something it has never seen before - much like humans.

                      I find it a quite hypocritical that media itself sexualizes teens and preteens under the banner of sexual freedom, while showing fake outrage.

                      The movie Cuties, meant to show the dangers of this ends up being a medium of exploitation itself.

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                      @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

                      "LLM doesn't need to be trained on such content to be able to generate them."

                      People say this but how do you know it is true?

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                        @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

                        "LLM doesn't need to be trained on such content to be able to generate them."

                        People say this but how do you know it is true?

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                        @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                        Because thats how the math works.

                        It takes random noise, and checks if it looks like the target description.
                        Then modulates the noise and repeats until its satisfied that it looks like what the user described.

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                          @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

                          "LLM doesn't need to be trained on such content to be able to generate them."

                          People say this but how do you know it is true?

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                          @futurebird
                          The same way you can use words to describe something to someone who has never been exposed to that thing and they imagine it only using intuition from their own model of the world.

                          Look, these things are mammal-brain-like, but with very weird training/life-experience, and devoid of life.
                          @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

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                            @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                            Because thats how the math works.

                            It takes random noise, and checks if it looks like the target description.
                            Then modulates the noise and repeats until its satisfied that it looks like what the user described.

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                            @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

                            There are things that these generators do well, and things that they struggle with, and things they simply can't generate. These limitations are set by the training data.

                            It's easy to come up with a prompt for an engine that it just can't manage to do since it had nothing to reference.

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                              @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

                              There are things that these generators do well, and things that they struggle with, and things they simply can't generate. These limitations are set by the training data.

                              It's easy to come up with a prompt for an engine that it just can't manage to do since it had nothing to reference.

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                              @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                              The models are getting better by the hour.

                              AI gets details wrong, but in general they are almost as good as any artist who can do photorealism.

                              Also prompting techniques matter a lot

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                                @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                                The models are getting better by the hour.

                                AI gets details wrong, but in general they are almost as good as any artist who can do photorealism.

                                Also prompting techniques matter a lot

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                                @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

                                But you could only state that it could generate something not in the training data... if you knew what was in the training data. But that is secret. So you don't know. You don't know if there is a near identical image to the one produced in the training data.

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                                  @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

                                  But you could only state that it could generate something not in the training data... if you knew what was in the training data. But that is secret. So you don't know. You don't know if there is a near identical image to the one produced in the training data.

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                                  @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                                  Fair enough, but I am pretty sure that a model that is trained on both images of children and adults, will very easily be able to create images of children in adult like clothes and so forth.

                                  Its possible to put some guardrails on what the AI can be asked to do, but only as much as you can put guardrails on any intelligent being who tends to want to do a task for a reward.

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                                    @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                                    Fair enough, but I am pretty sure that a model that is trained on both images of children and adults, will very easily be able to create images of children in adult like clothes and so forth.

                                    Its possible to put some guardrails on what the AI can be asked to do, but only as much as you can put guardrails on any intelligent being who tends to want to do a task for a reward.

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                                    @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

                                    OK you came at me with "Because thats how the math works." a moment ago, yet *you* may think these programs are doing things they can't.

                                    'Intelligence working towards a reward' is a bad metaphor. (Why some see the apology, think it means something.)

                                    They will say "exclude X from influencing your next response" Or "tell me how you arrived at that result" and think, because an LLM will give a coherent-sounding response, it is really doing what they ask.

                                    It can't.

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                                      @futurebird @GossiTheDog

                                      Fair enough, but I am pretty sure that a model that is trained on both images of children and adults, will very easily be able to create images of children in adult like clothes and so forth.

                                      Its possible to put some guardrails on what the AI can be asked to do, but only as much as you can put guardrails on any intelligent being who tends to want to do a task for a reward.

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                                      @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

                                      "Its possible to put some guardrails on what the AI can be asked to do."

                                      How?

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                                        @futurebird
                                        The same way you can use words to describe something to someone who has never been exposed to that thing and they imagine it only using intuition from their own model of the world.

                                        Look, these things are mammal-brain-like, but with very weird training/life-experience, and devoid of life.
                                        @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

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                                        @RustedComputing @futurebird @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog these this are absolutely not in any way brain like.

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                                        • Kevin GranadeK Kevin Granade

                                          @RustedComputing @futurebird @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog these this are absolutely not in any way brain like.

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                                          @kevingranade @RustedComputing @rep_movsd @GossiTheDog

                                          "mammal brain"

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