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Fans slam The Alters after discovering evidence of undisclosed gen AI in images, text, and translation

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  • T theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
    No Man's Sky was one of the most hyped video games in history due to procedural generation. The fact that they botched it on release is not relevant.
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    I don't agree at all, the hype was evident, sure, but the procedural generation was largely the reason people didn't like the game. You stated that procedural generation isn't hated, but 'botching' the usage of it at release is the piece that irrelevant. The people hated it because of the, admittably bad, procedural generation.
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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS starman2112@sh.itjust.works
      No, it's like saying I boycott Nestle and will stop using their subsidiary products *when I find out that they're Nestle subsidiaries.* I don't know if other games are using generative AI. Maybe they are. If I find out they are, I will not buy them. If I don't find out that they are, *how would I know that they're using it?* The fact that I'm not able to detect it 100% of the time doesn't make me okay with it when I don't know it's there. What in any of my comments has made you think I have a " I don't care as long as I don't notice it" attitude???
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      > How the fuck would I boycott a brand for being owned by Nestle *before I find out that it's owned by Nestle?* Consumer research, look up the brands you don't know before you buy them, the corps aren't generally out here running shell companies to hide relationships. Im not being snide and I don't care about the rest of the argument with OP, this is the literal answer to that one question, that's all.
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      • L lath@lemmy.world
        You're expecting it to be used responsibly when we ourselves in general are very lacking in that department. This here is a very good example of the actual use that will happen. A rush job to meet unrealistic deadlines. And that's what *will* happen as is the norm.
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        The translation flub is the only part that mattered here. The Alters was getting a ton of praise and good press for its story, characters, mocap, VA, mechanics, visuals, you name it. Finding out that someone used GPT for some glorified lorem ipsum to paste on a random background object doesn't change the quality one iota. The art team for this game was paid and hired and they did a phenomenal job with the game, but one of those paid artists took a shortcut for some assets. It's not a "the ayy eye is letting corpo CEOs skip out on paying real human artists!!!" situation here. Do you know what else paid artists / game studios do other than pay a human to create an asset from scratch? They buy models and textures on the Unreal/etc asset store. The same exact boulder model is present in everything from ffviiR to Clair Obscur to Death Stranding, because it comes free with the engine and is "good enough" just like an AI generated rock texture would be. However, using machine translation without even a *proofreading pass* is hilarious. Using a conversational model for translation is double hilarious. Surely purpose-built translation tools exist and are more efficient than "asking" chatGPT to "translate this line into Brazilian Portuguese".
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        • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS starman2112@sh.itjust.works
          Correct! If you're not going to support artists and writers, the *least* you can do is not support the industry that's actively destroying thr fields of art and writing.
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          The guy who used ai to make some technobabble lipsum for an asset was an artist hired by the company. You can see a huge list of the artists that worked on The Alters in the credits. They all got paid. This artist would take home the same wage for typing "gshsjajfkfksiwn" in that asset, or copy and pasting some numbers that were in a readout from a space telescope, or literally using lorem ipsum. If we're really micromanaging every art shortcut as "potential pay to hire *more* artists" now, why not start counting how many rock/plant/sky/water textures and models in The Alters (or FF7 Rebirth, or literally any UE5 game) are pre-baked assets included with the UE5 license? Game devs *actually* use those instead of billable hours / salaried hires.
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          • L lath@lemmy.world
            >"like it or not, gen AI is becoming an invaluable tool for developers".. ..who wish to take a dump on their work.
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            I love seeing these outside views from folks who aren't developers 🤣 Gen AI is pretty well integrated into development pipelines at this point. In ways that are subtle and quite useful. Especially autocomplete as you write code, and boiler plate autofill. These used genai, are subtle and not necessarily intrusive, and are pretty widely integrated across the development ecosystem. Like everything the poison makes the dose. The larger the dose of genai the more poison you are introducing into your work.
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            • L lath@lemmy.world
              You're expecting it to be used responsibly when we ourselves in general are very lacking in that department. This here is a very good example of the actual use that will happen. A rush job to meet unrealistic deadlines. And that's what *will* happen as is the norm.
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              It's already in use responsibly. And irresponsibly. Turns out that you can't really argue the slope of responsibility when that's an individual choice of how someone uses a tool.
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                I wouldn’t say „precisely“ as those are (plausible) speculations.
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                Alright, probably why
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