You are 1000% correct. I've been yelled at/criticized a few times by people who clearly can't differentiate between the types of "ai".

The worst are those people that think they are artists because they typed in a prompt. It's delusional!

Just to point out, LLMs are genAI. Lots of code editors provide code suggestions similar to autocorrect/text suggestions using AI. Strictly I doubt any game is made without AI. Not to say it can't be deliberately avoided, but given the lack of opposition to GPT and LLMs I don't see it being considered for avoidance in the same way as art. So Awards with constraints on "any AI usage in development" probably disqualifies most modern games.

I didn't mean it in the literal sense but if it makes you happy, we can pretend that whenever someone says "everyone" they mean it literally.

Dude, go touch grass, please. This is embarrassing.

I mean, it's a tool. You can use a hammer to smash someone's skull in or you can use it to put some nail on a wall. If you see it used like that, it's shitty developers, the AI is not to blame. Don't get me wrong, I do have coworkers who use it like this and it sucks. One literally told to next time tell Copilot directly what to fix when I'm doing a review. But overall it helps if you know how and most importantly when to use it.

I did and you're right. That's why I'm firmly in the "it's just a fucking tool" gang. Both people who treat it like a messiah and those who treat it like the worst thing ever seem pretty much insane to me.

Yeah the AI slop hell that gives us terrible slop like expedition 33. Shudder at the thought


"I will be investigating this shortly." That way, you don't have to commit to AI and can distance a bit from the micromanagement. If he persists. "I have a number of avenues I'd like to go down and will update on progress tomorrow". Though I'd be tempted to flippant, "if you're feeling confident to pick it up, I'm happy to review it". If they hesitate, " that's OK, I'll go through the process. Standups should be quick. Any progress, any issues, what you're focussing on. Otherwise you waste everyone's time. Any messages I'll ignore until I have 5 mins. Micromanagement environments are not worth it.

Code analysis and suggestion tools in many professional IDEs are not powered by LLMs, in the IDEs I use, there's an available LLM that I've disabled the plugin for (and never paid for so it did nothing anyways). LLMs are simply too slow for the kind of code completion and recommendation algorithms used by IDEs and so using them is *not* "using genAI"

I'm not going to fault someone for driving to work in a car, but I certainly wouldn't call them the winner of a marathon even if they only drove for a few minutes of that marathon. There's a difference between something that runs the race for you (LLM AI) and something that simply helps you do what you are already doing (I suppose photoshop is the equivalent of drinking gatorade).

If there was an AI that licensed every bit of art/code/etc that it trained on, then I think I would be fine if they used it. BUT, I’d never think their final product was ever a more than just a madlibs of other people’s work, cobbled together for cheap commercial consumption. My time is worth something, and I’m not spending a minute of it on AI generated crap when I could be spending it on the product of a true author, artist, coder, craftsman. They deserve my dollar, not the AI company and their ai-using middle man who produced shit with it.

I don't think that's a relevant comparison - marathon is a race meant specifically to test what the human body is capable of. Using a car there is obviously against the goal of the competition. When I'm writing code, I'll happily offload the boring parts to AI. There's only so many times you can solve the same problem without it being boring. And I've been doing this long enough that actually new problems I haven't solved yet are pretty rare.

> I’m all for laws to regulate data centers and manufacturing, but again, that’s not what is being pushed for. Most anti-AI peeps seem the be helping the enemy a lot more then they realize. I'm guessing there's a lot of controlled opposition which is incredibly cheap to produce, doesn't leave much of a paper trail, and is reasonably effective.

I'm not going to fault you for that - but do you think you should receive an award for the work you didn't do? In the case of this particular game, perhaps the bulk of the creative work was done by humans. But if the GOTY committee isn't confident with drawing a line between what work is OK to offload onto an AI and what work isn't, then I think it's fair for then to say this year that any generative AI use is a disqualifier. You and I can say with ease that an implementation of a basic swap function (c=a, a=b, b=c) doesn't require any creative work and has been done to death, so there's no shame in copypasteing something from stackoverflow or chatgpt into your own code to save time. But it's harder to gauge that for more complex things. Especially with art - where would you draw the line? Reference material? Concept art? Background textures or 3d models of basic props (random objects in the scene like chairs, trees, etc)? I don't think there's a clear answer for that. You might have an answer you think is correct, and I might have one as well, but I think it will be difficult and time consuming to achieve consensus in the game development community. So, the most efficient answer for now is to have any generative AI be a disqualifier.

Yes, it is indeed embarrassing that you insist on defending AI. My sister insisted on using an AI this year to generate our secret santa. She didn't get a gift. Ahahahaha. AI is strictly for stupid people that can't do good work on their own. No reasonably intelligent person is using AI to make a draft that they can then correct, because it will always be more practical to just make it yourself.

Well, you see, the "everyone" you are referring to are the same stupid masses that already don't deserve respect on the macro level. The same stupid masses voting in politicial officials like Donald Trump.

Bullshit. “Everyone” in your comment was a clear “appeal to popularity” argument, made to _other_ anyone not on the bandwagon. It deserves to be called out for what it is.

Uh... Sorry but no, LLMs are definitely fast enough. It works just like auto complete, except sometimes it's a genius that pulls the next few lines you were about to write out of the ether, and sometimes it makes up a library to do something you never asked for Mostly it works about as well as code completion software, but it'll name variables much better