Stolen from @futurebird - "To create utopias you must first imagine them."
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The: car=freedom idea has been reinforced via advertising.
During the part of 2020 where things had been shut down but some people wanted reopenings, I saw a dramatic increase in car ads that leaned heavily into car means freedom. The cruise companies also advertised like this.
Creative folks need to be re-empowered by the understanding that imagation is a huge source of power in the world. It isn't just entertainment.
There's been a lot of propaganda by a variety of people that has sold art as only entertainment (for self or others). Companies like Disney do it because it makes creative folks more willing to compromise vision for limited profit, folks in other industries promote this idea because it gives them a surplus of creative folks to advertise their products and folks in power do it because they want to limit the understanding of ideas as power.
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There's been a lot of propaganda by a variety of people that has sold art as only entertainment (for self or others). Companies like Disney do it because it makes creative folks more willing to compromise vision for limited profit, folks in other industries promote this idea because it gives them a surplus of creative folks to advertise their products and folks in power do it because they want to limit the understanding of ideas as power.
I still read bits of Alice (Wonderland & Looking Glass), and Winnie-thePooh.
They were written for children and adults.
The Disney versions trivialize them.
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I still read bits of Alice (Wonderland & Looking Glass), and Winnie-thePooh.
They were written for children and adults.
The Disney versions trivialize them.
@EricLawton I'm sitting in the picture above (only with central heating), reading the stories about Donald Duck (since my childhood).
In Europe, they are published under licence by different publishers and have changed very much. Donald is still the role model of kindness, love, and curiosity, of course still clumsy.
But the topics have much to do with greed, climate, and environment. Even Scrooge has changed: he has to learn that his behaviour -
@EricLawton I'm sitting in the picture above (only with central heating), reading the stories about Donald Duck (since my childhood).
In Europe, they are published under licence by different publishers and have changed very much. Donald is still the role model of kindness, love, and curiosity, of course still clumsy.
But the topics have much to do with greed, climate, and environment. Even Scrooge has changed: he has to learn that his behaviour@EricLawton would ruin the world and that he has to act differently. Best teachers: his nephews.
In the title story above e.g., Scrooge dreams to change every tree into a dollar-growing tree. Only Donald andf the nephews see that would destroy nature. They fight, and when the trees of greed nearly destroy Scrooge, he has to learn ...
I don't like Disney as a company - but that's also a Disney product. Made in Europe. -
@EricLawton would ruin the world and that he has to act differently. Best teachers: his nephews.
In the title story above e.g., Scrooge dreams to change every tree into a dollar-growing tree. Only Donald andf the nephews see that would destroy nature. They fight, and when the trees of greed nearly destroy Scrooge, he has to learn ...
I don't like Disney as a company - but that's also a Disney product. Made in Europe.@NatureMC @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
Disney like many big companies, could hire some of the best artists and good artists deal in truth instinctively.
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I still read bits of Alice (Wonderland & Looking Glass), and Winnie-thePooh.
They were written for children and adults.
The Disney versions trivialize them.
I absolutely despise the Disney versions of both.
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I absolutely despise the Disney versions of both.
@mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
This is so validating. I've never liked either of these ... but especially Alice (adapting Alice in Wonderland is dangerous, there are so many bad versions) but always felt shouted down. Or I thought "maybe this is for small children and I just need to chill"
The thing about good children's media is ... well it still normally good media. Adults should like it too.
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@mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
This is so validating. I've never liked either of these ... but especially Alice (adapting Alice in Wonderland is dangerous, there are so many bad versions) but always felt shouted down. Or I thought "maybe this is for small children and I just need to chill"
The thing about good children's media is ... well it still normally good media. Adults should like it too.
@mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
Alice in Wonderland is ... an intellectually playful book that is obsessed with the intricacies of language, philosophy and mathematics. It revels in wordplay, paradoxes, and complexity. The Disney movie just turns it into "goofy adventure how quirky" They shy away from the whole concept of a "rabbit hole" being a touchstone for getting lost in the world of the mind.
It is less complex in a way that is an insult to the audience.
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@mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
Alice in Wonderland is ... an intellectually playful book that is obsessed with the intricacies of language, philosophy and mathematics. It revels in wordplay, paradoxes, and complexity. The Disney movie just turns it into "goofy adventure how quirky" They shy away from the whole concept of a "rabbit hole" being a touchstone for getting lost in the world of the mind.
It is less complex in a way that is an insult to the audience.
@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
My favourite story about Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is that Queen Victoria liked it and asked Lewis Carroll for a copy of his next book. His next book was The Fifth Book of Euclid Treated Algebraically, and he dutifully sent her a signed copy. I am not sure if she read it.
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@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
My favourite story about Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is that Queen Victoria liked it and asked Lewis Carroll for a copy of his next book. His next book was The Fifth Book of Euclid Treated Algebraically, and he dutifully sent her a signed copy. I am not sure if she read it.
Haha! I didn't know that anecdote.
@futurebird @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
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Haha! I didn't know that anecdote.
@futurebird @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
@mina @david_chisnall @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
It feels kind of like a call out in some ways though... do you get that feeling? like something my aunt would tell me then look at me pointedly as if I'm supposed to say something or learn something.
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@mina @david_chisnall @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
It feels kind of like a call out in some ways though... do you get that feeling? like something my aunt would tell me then look at me pointedly as if I'm supposed to say something or learn something.
@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
To me, it reflect’s both Carroll’s view that all of his books were about mathematics and philosophy, his sense of humour (you did get what you asked for!) and his slight insecurity about being remembered for the works he regarded as more trivial rather than his serious academic publications. Of his non-fiction, I have only read his book on symbolic logic and I found the writing style quite engaging (though a lot more dry than in his fiction), and maybe he felt a monarch should have a stronger grounding in mathematics.
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@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
To me, it reflect’s both Carroll’s view that all of his books were about mathematics and philosophy, his sense of humour (you did get what you asked for!) and his slight insecurity about being remembered for the works he regarded as more trivial rather than his serious academic publications. Of his non-fiction, I have only read his book on symbolic logic and I found the writing style quite engaging (though a lot more dry than in his fiction), and maybe he felt a monarch should have a stronger grounding in mathematics.
@david_chisnall @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
Telling stories for children, treating them with care patience and respect is also very important work. Just like mathematics.
Though, being a math teacher I *would* say such a thing.
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@mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
Alice in Wonderland is ... an intellectually playful book that is obsessed with the intricacies of language, philosophy and mathematics. It revels in wordplay, paradoxes, and complexity. The Disney movie just turns it into "goofy adventure how quirky" They shy away from the whole concept of a "rabbit hole" being a touchstone for getting lost in the world of the mind.
It is less complex in a way that is an insult to the audience.
@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora but isn't that true of all Disney films ever? The Sword in the Stone is another particularly egregious example.
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@futurebird @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora but isn't that true of all Disney films ever? The Sword in the Stone is another particularly egregious example.
@simon_brooke @mina @EricLawton @clarablackink @DoomsdaysCW @Dianora
The Lion King and Snow White are quite good IMO. Bambi is amazing. Fantasia is one of my favorite films. They can make good animated films.
