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I don't know the lore. Reading the wiki page, it looks like he used to be genderfluid, but now is generally male. And it sounds like he's a god that can just naturally change sex, so he's cis-genderfluid. Which I guess means now he's trans?
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Cis just means your gender matches your sex, right? If your sex is fluid, and you're cis, what gender would that be?
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Cis just means your gender matches your sex, right? If your sex is fluid, and you're cis, what gender would that be?
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Nope, cis mean you did not changed your gender, it has nothing to do with your genitals. Corellon change gender quite a lot.
So if you have a male body, but your gender is and has always been female, you're cis? -
So if you have a male body, but your gender is and has always been female, you're cis?
I see what you try to do, but again : gender has nothing to do with your genitals/body.
Gender is a social construct and thus, it's difficult to say "always", that's why there was terms like AMAB/AFAB in the first place : you are not born with a gender, you have been assigned with one to begin with. Hence the change. Trans is not just about your body, but also about how everyone and the society percieve you (that's why you have multiple type of coming out).
And fluidity is a constant change, not a gender. There is nothing cisgender about changing gender, by definition. -
I see what you try to do, but again : gender has nothing to do with your genitals/body.
Gender is a social construct and thus, it's difficult to say "always", that's why there was terms like AMAB/AFAB in the first place : you are not born with a gender, you have been assigned with one to begin with. Hence the change. Trans is not just about your body, but also about how everyone and the society percieve you (that's why you have multiple type of coming out).
And fluidity is a constant change, not a gender. There is nothing cisgender about changing gender, by definition.My understanding is that gender is how you think of yourself. If you consider yourself to be a man, then regardless of what society says, you're a man. They can't simply assign you the gender of woman. The terms AMAB and AFAB are referring to your sex, not your gender. > Trans is not just about your body, but also about how everyone and the society percieve you (that’s why you have multiple type of coming out). So if someone was born male, and thinks of themselves as female, but they haven't told anyone, would you say that they're cisgender because the gender society perceives them as matches their birth sex? -
My understanding is that gender is how you think of yourself. If you consider yourself to be a man, then regardless of what society says, you're a man. They can't simply assign you the gender of woman. The terms AMAB and AFAB are referring to your sex, not your gender. > Trans is not just about your body, but also about how everyone and the society percieve you (that’s why you have multiple type of coming out). So if someone was born male, and thinks of themselves as female, but they haven't told anyone, would you say that they're cisgender because the gender society perceives them as matches their birth sex?
It's not whatever the society say : trans only have sense if you have a gendered society. That's what "social construct" means, this is also why it don't apply to all cultures.
A fluid identity might not be "trans" in a society when there is no question of gender, but you won't call that being "genderfluid", as having a "locked" gender may seems weird to them. Maybe they won't even have a word for it. But it's still won't be cis, either.
And elven culture here is binary gendered, hence the changes Corellon do.
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It's not whatever the society say : trans only have sense if you have a gendered society. That's what "social construct" means, this is also why it don't apply to all cultures.
A fluid identity might not be "trans" in a society when there is no question of gender, but you won't call that being "genderfluid", as having a "locked" gender may seems weird to them. Maybe they won't even have a word for it. But it's still won't be cis, either.
And elven culture here is binary gendered, hence the changes Corellon do.
> but you won’t call that being “genderfluid”, as having a “locked” gender may seems weird to them. And I would say that someone who has always been female and happens to have a male body as having a "locked" gender. I just use "cis" to mean that your gender matches your sex. Not anything about whether or not your gender is fixed. -
Cis just means your gender matches your sex, right? If your sex is fluid, and you're cis, what gender would that be?Cisgender means not transgender. Those are binary antonyms. If you change your gender from what it was assigned at birth, you are transgender and therefore not cisgender. To complicate things, if you are transgender, you were never cis. None of this has anything to do with genitals other than that is generally one of the main inputs the doctor who assigns your gender at birth uses. It's like being assigned white or black upon birth by a doctor, they just use their best guess and often take liberties and sometimes even make changes and those changes turn out to be wrong... They should not be making assumptions or decisions or changes unless strictly necessary, which they are often not. So a god whose existence at birth is fluid, would be, like the rest of us, whatever they were. But, for ease of language, likely fall under they/them, depending on reference purpose, like a wiki or their own desired image or role. You would have to ask them. Just like everybody else. When in doubt, just ask. In general, though, I think most gods are above gender, as gender is a human social construct and gods are.... Well, those things are dumb and don't apply because gods usually don't give a shit and don't play by your silly little self imposed made up rules like who makes house and who works and who is more courageous and who proposes or whatever garbage.
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> but you won’t call that being “genderfluid”, as having a “locked” gender may seems weird to them. And I would say that someone who has always been female and happens to have a male body as having a "locked" gender. I just use "cis" to mean that your gender matches your sex. Not anything about whether or not your gender is fixed.
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Gender-swapping has been a common theme in fictions/legend for as long as we had these. And my hot-take is that RPG didn't started to attract LGBT player in the last decade, but society didn't let these player be open with themselves before the last decade, and that some of these players who in the 80's/90's/00's used gender swapping as a theme in their stories would actually come-out/transition if they were 20-30-40 years longer. -
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> but you won’t call that being “genderfluid”, as having a “locked” gender may seems weird to them. And I would say that someone who has always been female and happens to have a male body as having a "locked" gender. I just use "cis" to mean that your gender matches your sex. Not anything about whether or not your gender is fixed.Well, this doesn't really matter for the discussion since Corellon doesn't really have a body with sexual characteristics. I'm just a trans girl, so I can't speak with authority, but it seems "genderfluid" is in the same bucket as "non-binary"; in that, both are part of the umbrella term "transgender", but people can resonate with either and not apply the transgender label to themselves. At the end of the day, labels are boxes that don't always encompass human experience. I'd also add "perisex" and "unchanged" to your use of the term "male body". Around 1.5% of the world's population has some sort of intersex variation, meaning they have a combination of sexual characteristics that don't fit into the typical norms for their assigned sex at birth (you may have seen these people referred to as "hermaphrodites", but the intersex community considers this a highly offensive term due to its use in dehumanisation).
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Cisgender means not transgender. Those are binary antonyms. If you change your gender from what it was assigned at birth, you are transgender and therefore not cisgender. To complicate things, if you are transgender, you were never cis. None of this has anything to do with genitals other than that is generally one of the main inputs the doctor who assigns your gender at birth uses. It's like being assigned white or black upon birth by a doctor, they just use their best guess and often take liberties and sometimes even make changes and those changes turn out to be wrong... They should not be making assumptions or decisions or changes unless strictly necessary, which they are often not. So a god whose existence at birth is fluid, would be, like the rest of us, whatever they were. But, for ease of language, likely fall under they/them, depending on reference purpose, like a wiki or their own desired image or role. You would have to ask them. Just like everybody else. When in doubt, just ask. In general, though, I think most gods are above gender, as gender is a human social construct and gods are.... Well, those things are dumb and don't apply because gods usually don't give a shit and don't play by your silly little self imposed made up rules like who makes house and who works and who is more courageous and who proposes or whatever garbage.For humans, yes. For other species, not so much. A clownfish isn't trans just because it changes its sex. In fact, it's cis all the time, because its the biological sex that changes. If the character naturally, natively changes their sex, they aren't trans either. Humans cannot change their sex, they can only change their gender. That's what trans people do. If an animal or a being can change their sex, they are still cis while doing so (unless they change their sex and then change their gender to a different one at the same time). But the concept of trans just plainly doesn't apply to many species. Some have more than two sexes, some have more than one sex at a time. When talking about other species, sex is really not a solid thing at all.
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Nope, cis mean you did not changed your gender, it has nothing to do with your genitals. Corellon change gender quite a lot.
A clownfish naturally changes its biological sex. That's what it does. Is it trans or cis? A snail has both sexes at the same time. Is it trans or cis? Or does the concept of cis/trans just not make any sense at all in a species that doesn't have two static sexes and doesn't naturally change between them? -
A clownfish naturally changes its biological sex. That's what it does. Is it trans or cis? A snail has both sexes at the same time. Is it trans or cis? Or does the concept of cis/trans just not make any sense at all in a species that doesn't have two static sexes and doesn't naturally change between them?
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What's the show? I think I saw it but I don't remember this part. And I don't remember the name so I can't look of there's a new season.Vox Machina, and there is a new season.
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For humans, yes. For other species, not so much. A clownfish isn't trans just because it changes its sex. In fact, it's cis all the time, because its the biological sex that changes. If the character naturally, natively changes their sex, they aren't trans either. Humans cannot change their sex, they can only change their gender. That's what trans people do. If an animal or a being can change their sex, they are still cis while doing so (unless they change their sex and then change their gender to a different one at the same time). But the concept of trans just plainly doesn't apply to many species. Some have more than two sexes, some have more than one sex at a time. When talking about other species, sex is really not a solid thing at all.I agree with most of what you say, but human can absolutely change their sex. What do you think hrt does? Sex is a collection of biological realities, all of which lands you somewhere on the sex binomial spectrum. Some things are impossible to change (chromosomes and dna), while others are very much possible (ratio of hormones or sexual organs). I like this chart: 
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