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Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 takes home an absurd 9 wins at The Game Awards, more than Baldur's Gate 3 in 2023
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Game awards are ridiculous, but I will _never_ forget Expedition 33. It deserves all the accolades it has earned and achieved.
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> Whether you go to the Silksong, KCD2, Death Stranding, Dispatch, Arc Raiders, or any other games subreddit that was nominated for any award about half the comments saying E33 is trash, overhyped, and their game deserved to win instead. Nine awards is a lot. And this is [after they swept Golden Joystick](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_Obscur:_Expedition_33#Accolades). It's a fine game. It's just not the *only game*.Yeah, it's not the only game, but it did a really good job in all the categories it won. I would've given best RPG to kcd2, but I don't think e33 is unreasonable. The only issue I have is sandfall shouldn't count as an independent game, they had a publisher and were backed by venture capital.
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I'm so happy for them, the emotions this game brought to me were absolutely unique, its approach on grief was so beautiful. And can't forget the music that I keep humming for the last months...Renoir's battle theme is the best song I have ever heard in a video game before. For a while, my YouTube algorithm was taken over of streamer reactions to hearing that song for the first time in game, because universally people were just stunned like "holy shit this is amazing".
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Yeah, it's not the only game, but it did a really good job in all the categories it won. I would've given best RPG to kcd2, but I don't think e33 is unreasonable. The only issue I have is sandfall shouldn't count as an independent game, they had a publisher and were backed by venture capital.> I don’t think e33 is unreasonable. For any individual award, sure. It's an arbitrary decision of taste and people can agree to disagree. When you're stacking up all the awards on a single game, you're effectively ignoring the rest of the releases for the year. > The only issue I have is sandfall shouldn’t count as an independent game I'm more disgusted with giving "Best Indie" and "Best Debut Indie" to the same title. Why even have two categories at this point? It isn't even the studio's debut title. Similarly, three "Best Performance" nominees to the same title. You know what you're doing and it's not evaluation or recognition, it's just promotion. But then these awards gave Pretty Derby the Best Mobile Game and FFT: Ivalice Chronicles (a thirty year old remaster!) Best Strategy, so whatchagonna do? Game awards have always been glorified ads.
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Gamers make me embarrassed to enjoy video gamesSeriously though. I used to be afraid to tell people how much I love video games, because most people thought of the South Park MMO guy meme as your average gamer. It MIGHT be true, but some of us really just love the craft and what is made of that craft! It's like no one has/had any strong opinion about movie aficionados, other than they may not be fun to watch a movie WITH. I don't know. It was strange then, and still is. lol
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The only award I think it didn't deserve was Best RPG. But, on the other hand, it should have gotten Best Sound Design over BF6; so it still would have gotten 9 awards. Truly a masterpiece of a game. To those haters saying "But not even BG3 got that many awards!" it's not a fair comparison. BG3 is a slightly better game IMO, but Expedition 33 is a work of art on top of being an amazing game and appeals to a much wider audience. Which isn't to say games like BG3 aren't beautiful, but I think anyone would agree that E33 is on a whole other level.
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"We've picked one game and we're giving every award to that game because it's the best game at everything and have you played the game yet? You should it's so good it's just the best at everything." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_Interactive > Kepler Interactive was founded in September 2021 at the initiative of former Ubisoft employee and French entrepreneur Alexis Garavayan, who had previously co-founded the video game investment fund Kowloon Nights. Self-described as a "super developer" publishing group, Kepler was born out of an alliance between seven independent studios to “pool their resources and knowledge”: Hedge Fund ass publisher. Come on, guys. The Gaming Awards have always just been sponsored content and you're getting hoodwinked because you don't recognize the sponsor this time around.Are you trying to say that any game that gets funding of any kind is automatically not worthy of winning? I'm perfectly fine with people making money in exchange for an excellent product, and Expedition 33 is a fucking masterpiece.
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> I don’t think e33 is unreasonable. For any individual award, sure. It's an arbitrary decision of taste and people can agree to disagree. When you're stacking up all the awards on a single game, you're effectively ignoring the rest of the releases for the year. > The only issue I have is sandfall shouldn’t count as an independent game I'm more disgusted with giving "Best Indie" and "Best Debut Indie" to the same title. Why even have two categories at this point? It isn't even the studio's debut title. Similarly, three "Best Performance" nominees to the same title. You know what you're doing and it's not evaluation or recognition, it's just promotion. But then these awards gave Pretty Derby the Best Mobile Game and FFT: Ivalice Chronicles (a thirty year old remaster!) Best Strategy, so whatchagonna do? Game awards have always been glorified ads.I have no issue with the Best Debut Indie and Best Indie being the same game. If Silksong had been the voter's best Indie, it couldn't have won best debut because it wasn't Team Cherry's first game. But if they're going to give the best Indie award to E33, they kinda *have* to give it best debut. Otherwise they'd have to give one of the awards to a game that was not the best in the category.
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Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 I love E33 but the RPG mechanics are pretty barebones.
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That's one area where you can see it is indie despite the large development cost. They were published by Kepler Interactive and for some markets Bandai Namco. Neither of which have Ubisoft or EA's marketing budget which normally makes up something like half of the development budget of a game. They did have *some* marketing. I know a lot of French streamers were paid to play the game on launch. But yeah not "in your face for 6 months in front of every YouTube video and inside every happy meal box" like a new assassin's creed or something.Like I had heard whispers of it, but that's abojt it. It wasn't the only game to have that problem. I was barely aware Death Stranding 2 existed let alone that it was out. I had heard of Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 (because the fans wouldn't shut up about how right leaning and "non-woke" the game was) but did not think it deserved a mention. To be honest the only game even nominated I had played was Donkey Kong Banaza.... (I was obviously VERY aware Hades 2 and Silksong existed. I just haven't had time to play them. Though I would have been offended if they weren't nominated. Especially Silksong)
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> I don’t think e33 is unreasonable. For any individual award, sure. It's an arbitrary decision of taste and people can agree to disagree. When you're stacking up all the awards on a single game, you're effectively ignoring the rest of the releases for the year. > The only issue I have is sandfall shouldn’t count as an independent game I'm more disgusted with giving "Best Indie" and "Best Debut Indie" to the same title. Why even have two categories at this point? It isn't even the studio's debut title. Similarly, three "Best Performance" nominees to the same title. You know what you're doing and it's not evaluation or recognition, it's just promotion. But then these awards gave Pretty Derby the Best Mobile Game and FFT: Ivalice Chronicles (a thirty year old remaster!) Best Strategy, so whatchagonna do? Game awards have always been glorified ads.> When you're stacking up all the awards on a single game, you're effectively ignoring the rest of the releases for the year. If a game does the best in multiple categories should it be skipped over just to highlight another game? Imo that's what nominations are for, saying these 6 games did outstanding jobs in this area, the award should still go to whichever one did the best. > I'm more disgusted with giving "Best Indie" and "Best Debut Indie" to the same title. Why even have two categories at this point? Because they can go to different games. If an indie studio's first game wins best indie game how can it not also be the best debut indie game? Should it be excluded from winning best indie game just because it's their first game and they won best debut indie? > It isn't even the studio's debut title. What other games has sandfall developed? > Similarly, three "Best Performance" nominees to the same title. You know what you're doing and it's not evaluation or recognition, it's just promotion. This isn't just recognizing the game, it's recognizing the actors. Which 2 would you replace and who do you think did a better job? > Game awards have always been glorified ads. Agreed
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If we could just keep this trend of having the game awards completely snuff the big studios, that'd be great.
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Like I had heard whispers of it, but that's abojt it. It wasn't the only game to have that problem. I was barely aware Death Stranding 2 existed let alone that it was out. I had heard of Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 (because the fans wouldn't shut up about how right leaning and "non-woke" the game was) but did not think it deserved a mention. To be honest the only game even nominated I had played was Donkey Kong Banaza.... (I was obviously VERY aware Hades 2 and Silksong existed. I just haven't had time to play them. Though I would have been offended if they weren't nominated. Especially Silksong)
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> When you're stacking up all the awards on a single game, you're effectively ignoring the rest of the releases for the year. If a game does the best in multiple categories should it be skipped over just to highlight another game? Imo that's what nominations are for, saying these 6 games did outstanding jobs in this area, the award should still go to whichever one did the best. > I'm more disgusted with giving "Best Indie" and "Best Debut Indie" to the same title. Why even have two categories at this point? Because they can go to different games. If an indie studio's first game wins best indie game how can it not also be the best debut indie game? Should it be excluded from winning best indie game just because it's their first game and they won best debut indie? > It isn't even the studio's debut title. What other games has sandfall developed? > Similarly, three "Best Performance" nominees to the same title. You know what you're doing and it's not evaluation or recognition, it's just promotion. This isn't just recognizing the game, it's recognizing the actors. Which 2 would you replace and who do you think did a better job? > Game awards have always been glorified ads. Agreed> If a game does the best in multiple categories should it be skipped over just to highlight another game? It's all subjective. If you make Balatro and I make BG3, there's no objective way to evaluate "Best Game" between the two. You've got to make some subjective judgement (or just put your hand out and collect bribes). Giving one of them a full stack of awards doesn't signal quality, it signals bias. > If an indie studio’s first game wins best indie game how can it not also be the best debut indie game E33 wasn't the studio's first game. So it shouldn't be winning the "award for debut games" on the ground alone. But yes, if you're winning the "indie game" (which E33's budget shouldn't have qualified it for anyway) spotlight another game under "debut" even if you're predisposed to favor turn based RPGs over platformers or puzzle games or simulators. In fact, especially then. > This isn’t just recognizing the game, it’s recognizing the actors. It's recognizing the budget more often than not.
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Are you trying to say that any game that gets funding of any kind is automatically not worthy of winning? I'm perfectly fine with people making money in exchange for an excellent product, and Expedition 33 is a fucking masterpiece.> Are you trying to say that any game that gets funding of any kind is automatically not worthy of winning? ??? How did you get here?
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That's pretty much where I'm at too. Though the "Indie Award" has always had similar problems before, such as the **Dave the Diver** debacle. But even though you could technically argue E33 is an indie it felt really wrong to have it up against something like **Blue Prince** in the indie categories. E33 had a huge budget with A-list actors ffs.It's roughly the same for BG3, technically an independent indie studio but also one of the most massive production teams on any game. IMO indie studios aren't studios without a publisher anymore, if anything a lot of studios with publishers are more indie than many studios without. Reminds me of decades ago and people calling Blizzard an indie studio before the Activision merger.
