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Mastercard Claims NSFW Game Bans Aren’t From Them, Valve Explains How Mastercard Launders Its Control
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Themes like “incest” and “rape” were pulled from Steam. While distasteful to most, these are not _illegal_ in pornography (local laws may differ). Hell, even snuff films are legal as long as they’re simulated (and not real video of actual murder). However, because of payment processors mainstream porn sites won’t host them.
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Is there any other payment method that works? Use them instead. If no, then just boycott MasterCard and whoever else, it's not like you're going to be able to buy your games anyway.
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Which would contradict their statement: > Our payment network follows standards based on the rule of law. Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network. At the same time, we require merchants to have appropriate controls to ensure Mastercard cards cannot be used for unlawful purchases, including illegal adult content. A store named "use these toys on fake dolls of children" is horribly distasteful but not illegal. I can agree that maybe that type of content shouldn't be sold, but I also understand that's my personal opinion and not necessarily the law. Me, you or Visa or Mastercard should not be in a position to dictate whether it's acceptable to sell such content.*EVEN IF* a store was named "use these toys on fake dolls of children" (because this name would likely not even pass local laws but let's put that aside), the store can sell cookies and take MasterCard. I'm going to play devil's advocate since the OOP is doing a terrible job of arguing their point. If my brick and mortar store sold incest books, MasterCard could say, "We don't like how you sell this one book or category of books." Like...fine. In which case they are being anticompetitive. The books aren't illegal. Distasteful, perhaps, but you don't see me complaining to MasterCard for processing bakery transactions, just because I hate gluten.
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Yep and yet they won't because it's incredibly convenient for them to be able to maintain that kind of control while disavowing it at the same time.The point is that this would force them to show their hand. Either they will exercise control in this situation or they won't. If they don't, problem solved; and, if they do then we know who the problem is.
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Is there any other payment method that works? Use them instead. If no, then just boycott MasterCard and whoever else, it's not like you're going to be able to buy your games anyway.Sadly both Mastercard and Visa have supported this practice and thats the 2 big ones.
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Dang, looks like I actually have to do some reading. >Steam accepts major credit and debit card brands, including Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Discover. >Digital wallets, such as PayPal and Skrill, offer a convenient and secure way to make payments on Steam. >Steam gift cards can be purchased from various retailers, both online and offline, and can be redeemed on the Steam platform. >In addition to these payment methods, Steam also supports other region-specific payment methods, such as iDeal in the Netherlands, Sofort in Germany, and WebMoney in Russia. Looks like there is a way. Is there a will?
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I wouldn't know, I don't buy games ever since I found out I didn't buy games, merely licensed them. Which is kind of ironic as I would assume most of the censored games are available on the high seas.
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Yep and yet they won't because it's incredibly convenient for them to be able to maintain that kind of control while disavowing it at the same time.
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If the payment processors are entities separate from Mastercard, then why not name and shame _them?_
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Dang, looks like I actually have to do some reading. >Steam accepts major credit and debit card brands, including Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Discover. >Digital wallets, such as PayPal and Skrill, offer a convenient and secure way to make payments on Steam. >Steam gift cards can be purchased from various retailers, both online and offline, and can be redeemed on the Steam platform. >In addition to these payment methods, Steam also supports other region-specific payment methods, such as iDeal in the Netherlands, Sofort in Germany, and WebMoney in Russia. Looks like there is a way. Is there a will?
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Use your Mastercard to buy yourself a Steam gift card then buy a product that is offensive to Mastercard with the gift card.
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Surely there are categories you think should be banned. MasterCard won't buy you heroin on the street corner. This has already been a thing, the only difference is now they came for our porn I guess.Yeah, there are categories I think should be banned. But should they _actually_ be banned just because I want them to be? Only if they are illegal. Some things are legal that I think shouldn't be, but that doesn't change the fact that it is legal, whether I want it to be or not. Therefore, so long as it is legal, transactions should be allowed whether I like them or not. Untill they make it my problem, I don't care about what people are paying for.
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Surely there are categories you think should be banned. MasterCard won't buy you heroin on the street corner. This has already been a thing, the only difference is now they came for our porn I guess.I don't think giving that kind of arbitrary power to a small number of private entities is a great idea.
