How does one "learn IPA" ?
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How does one "learn IPA" ? I'm interested enough in language and accents in a hobby kind of way that I don't think I can avoid it anymore.
But I find it extraordinarily intimidating. All those backwards letters and little embellishments...
What would one do? Make some flash cards?
IPA: International Phonetic Alphabet
It's stuff like this: ˈlaŋɡuad͡zizIt was this conversation about how (to me) it sounds like Issac Asimov says "robit" rather than "robot"
But, several people responded that he says it normally, or that he's saying "robut" or something else. Because obviously none of us have the same idea of what would be correct OR how far Asimov deviates from that.
No one is "wrong" we need better tools!
myrmepropagandist (@futurebird@sauropods.win)
@darkling@mstdn.social @catmisgivings@stranger.social I like the way both of them say "robits" ... this seems to be going away. But it was common in US English a generation ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvMZxNmWoko
Sauropods.win (sauropods.win)
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When I studied linguistics, that program used Peter Ladefoged's textbook introducing phonetics and the IPA, and then I learnt it by writing out all of my notes to myself and etc etc in IPA (much like I did when learning Devanagari, Elvish and other scripts)
Maybe something like that?
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How does one "learn IPA" ? I'm interested enough in language and accents in a hobby kind of way that I don't think I can avoid it anymore.
But I find it extraordinarily intimidating. All those backwards letters and little embellishments...
What would one do? Make some flash cards?
IPA: International Phonetic Alphabet
It's stuff like this: ˈlaŋɡuad͡ziz@futurebird I found playing this really helped me internalize IPA better, and gave me a better understanding of how those sounds are composed as a bonus, but it's definitely rough going at first: https://nascl.rc.nau.edu/gramle/
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How does one "learn IPA" ? I'm interested enough in language and accents in a hobby kind of way that I don't think I can avoid it anymore.
But I find it extraordinarily intimidating. All those backwards letters and little embellishments...
What would one do? Make some flash cards?
IPA: International Phonetic Alphabet
It's stuff like this: ˈlaŋɡuad͡ziz@futurebird err.. you just stop drinking it, because all that hops is overrated? (sorry, could not resist, because I have no idea which IPA you're talking about
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How does one "learn IPA" ? I'm interested enough in language and accents in a hobby kind of way that I don't think I can avoid it anymore.
But I find it extraordinarily intimidating. All those backwards letters and little embellishments...
What would one do? Make some flash cards?
IPA: International Phonetic Alphabet
It's stuff like this: ˈlaŋɡuad͡ziz -
@futurebird I know, it’s as bad as maths
This is just making me more interested.
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Most phone flash card apps will let you paste in audio or photos. Very handy.
@futurebird I quite like the approach of focloir.ie to providing pronunciation guides for words in different dialects - a similar thing for IPA would be really cool.
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It was this conversation about how (to me) it sounds like Issac Asimov says "robit" rather than "robot"
But, several people responded that he says it normally, or that he's saying "robut" or something else. Because obviously none of us have the same idea of what would be correct OR how far Asimov deviates from that.
No one is "wrong" we need better tools!
myrmepropagandist (@futurebird@sauropods.win)
@darkling@mstdn.social @catmisgivings@stranger.social I like the way both of them say "robits" ... this seems to be going away. But it was common in US English a generation ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvMZxNmWoko
Sauropods.win (sauropods.win)
@futurebird Zoidberg does the same thing in futurama. Yiddishism?
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How does one "learn IPA" ? I'm interested enough in language and accents in a hobby kind of way that I don't think I can avoid it anymore.
But I find it extraordinarily intimidating. All those backwards letters and little embellishments...
What would one do? Make some flash cards?
IPA: International Phonetic Alphabet
It's stuff like this: ˈlaŋɡuad͡ziz@futurebird@sauropods.win what i did was having a dictionary that uses IPA and checking with wikipedia's chart to be sure what they sound like -
How does one "learn IPA" ? I'm interested enough in language and accents in a hobby kind of way that I don't think I can avoid it anymore.
But I find it extraordinarily intimidating. All those backwards letters and little embellishments...
What would one do? Make some flash cards?
IPA: International Phonetic Alphabet
It's stuff like this: ˈlaŋɡuad͡ziz@futurebird It's not hard, we learned in a day at high school.
Otherwise, the word "robot" is Russian, the correct prononciation is with "o".
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@futurebird Zoidberg does the same thing in futurama. Yiddishism?
Maybe? Though the most extreme example of people saying "robit" for "robot" I can think of tend to be old radio recordings of guys with a schooled "mid Atlantic" radio voice of the 30s or 40s
Asimov is a great example for my "collection of accents" spreadsheet since I don't notice he has an accent unless I'm trying to notice such things. (Not true of, say Bernie Sanders who I notice right away.)
Watching the NYC inauguration was fascinating for accents.
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Maybe? Though the most extreme example of people saying "robit" for "robot" I can think of tend to be old radio recordings of guys with a schooled "mid Atlantic" radio voice of the 30s or 40s
Asimov is a great example for my "collection of accents" spreadsheet since I don't notice he has an accent unless I'm trying to notice such things. (Not true of, say Bernie Sanders who I notice right away.)
Watching the NYC inauguration was fascinating for accents.
@futurebird Billy West (Z's voice actor) says it was a fusion of George Jessel and Lou Jacobi, so a combination of an old vaudeville style voice and a Yiddish one.
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@futurebird Billy West (Z's voice actor) says it was a fusion of George Jessel and Lou Jacobi, so a combination of an old vaudeville style voice and a Yiddish one.
The mastery this guy has over his voice is amazing.
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The mastery this guy has over his voice is amazing.
@futurebird Professional voice actors are incredible. Have you seen Harry Shearer have a rapid fire conversation with himself between Smithers and Mr Burns? Witchraft, I tells ya. Witchcraft.
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How does one "learn IPA" ? I'm interested enough in language and accents in a hobby kind of way that I don't think I can avoid it anymore.
But I find it extraordinarily intimidating. All those backwards letters and little embellishments...
What would one do? Make some flash cards?
IPA: International Phonetic Alphabet
It's stuff like this: ˈlaŋɡuad͡ziz@futurebird@sauropods.win It's not rocket science — flashcards would certainly help. Maybe just sit with a dictionary and test yourself until it sinks in? There's a logic to it all that you'll pick up very quickly. It helps that English has so many different sounds compared to romantic languages.
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How does one "learn IPA" ? I'm interested enough in language and accents in a hobby kind of way that I don't think I can avoid it anymore.
But I find it extraordinarily intimidating. All those backwards letters and little embellishments...
What would one do? Make some flash cards?
IPA: International Phonetic Alphabet
It's stuff like this: ˈlaŋɡuad͡ziz@futurebird Find examples of words transcribed by people speaking roughly the same variety of English as you do, and match symbol to sound. That will get you the basics quickly.
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How does one "learn IPA" ? I'm interested enough in language and accents in a hobby kind of way that I don't think I can avoid it anymore.
But I find it extraordinarily intimidating. All those backwards letters and little embellishments...
What would one do? Make some flash cards?
IPA: International Phonetic Alphabet
It's stuff like this: ˈlaŋɡuad͡ziz@futurebird@sauropods.win ˈlæŋɡwɪdʒɪz -
@futurebird@sauropods.win ˈlæŋɡwɪdʒɪz@futurebird@sauropods.win i kinda just learned ipa by . interacting with it a bunch ? reading transcriptions of languages im familiar with, slowly starting to associate sounds with symbols
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@futurebird@sauropods.win i kinda just learned ipa by . interacting with it a bunch ? reading transcriptions of languages im familiar with, slowly starting to associate sounds with symbols@futurebird@sauropods.win also really important to understand the systematicity - understand what place and manner of articulation mean and how the symbols relate to them
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@futurebird It's not hard, we learned in a day at high school.
Otherwise, the word "robot" is Russian, the correct prononciation is with "o".
@abuseofnotation @futurebird The word was disseminated in a play by a Czech playright. R. U. R. and coined by his brother.
(Not saying that changes the pronunciation of the 'o'.)
