Went down quicker than the Paris Concord. It's incredibly ironic using a name that's tied to disaster and then trying to one-up it's disastrousness.

You call the space saturated with sameness then rip on the game for taking a different stylistic choice. You're contradicting your own arguments.

Warhammer games tend to be pretty solid, I've enjoyed every one I've bought so far. If anything that episode undersold the power of space marines.

I don't think you're trying to engage honestly but I'm going to on the off chance someone is reading this thread on a bad day and thinking "maybe he has a point? Why can't I be attracted to XYZ?" You're trying to twist this into a question of "do I have to be attracted to everyone in order to be accepting"? The original question that's being engaged with is why, in your words, does - "morbidly obese" - "gender non-conforming" Make for "the worst character designs in living memory"? Why can't gender non-conforming characters have an interesting character design? Why is physical fitness required for an interesting character design? The subtext I'm reading from this is *you* think that in order for a character to have an interesting design that they must be attractive. If that's not what you're trying to say feel free to claim otherwise, but I don't know why else you'd bring those factors in if you weren't... A counter argument to your claim: I claim deep rock galactic has very interesting character designs. The costumes all have a similar theme but are distinct enough I can tell the difference between the characters. The colors are both grimy to indicate being underground for long periods of time but also each has a bright color palette so you can easily distinguish between characters. I think these designs are great. I am not attracted to any of these characters. I would never want to fuck any of them. I still think their designs are great. I don't think attractiveness is a requirement for interesting character design. 

God, can you imagine if Overwatch had launched with a muscley ninja or a fat guy?

You wouldn't fuck Scout? Prude.

There's probably an angle where that pose looks dynamic. It's not this one.

> this was one of those rare examples where we can all come together to objectively declare these characters a train wreck. I don't think you know what objective means.

That is why we shouldn't trust marketing.

Never forget. Cuz that shit was funny AF.

I get your point about sexual attraction not being necessary, but you're still kind of making the other user's point for them. Deep Rock Galactic works because of a cohesive aesthetic with characters that actually fit the world they're in. Concord was like a cast of GI Joe characters who went through a corporate intersectional diversity blender.

See you in a few days for the anniversary of its shutdown

I mean I wasn’t really arguing that Concord had good character designs. Just that a chunk of his criteria (obesity and gender conformity) aren’t good criteria of it.

Where are all the fuckable men?

> The characters not being conventionally attractive and “gender non-conforming” weren’t problems. Just take Overwatch as an example. People aren't exactly ranting about how Winston (a Gorilla) isn't sexually attractive, and therefore represents the moral downfall of society and that. He's just there.

If you make all your characters these "minority bodies" that are unappelaing to the wider audience, then your shit is going to flop

Baldur's Gate got them all, sorry.

There's something deeply funny to me that the same political side that demands representation for everyone in everything is then stunned to know that if EVERY character *doesn't* represent something the typical audience likes/wants to see that audience will go elsewhere. This is not rocket science, and it's such a deeply american problem it's honestly hilarious and frustrating at the same time with your culture's obsession with moralizing media consumption and production only somehow ever registering one way. If your game's characters look lame, uninteresting, and nothing like most people would want to *be,* nobody's gonna buy it. It's that simple. Progressives keep banging on about how people need to be represented to want to partake in a piece of media,\* then when a piece of media that represents exclusively stereotypical members of a portland polycule shows up and people are surprised if it's played exclusively by *some* polyamorous portlanders (not even all of them if you look at the stats). \* which is yet more horseshit america-centrism, the rest of the world is used to not being represented in most media we see since americans make most of it, and i'd rather laminate my own testicles than subject myself at an earnest attempt from an american at representing *my* demo. --- Furthermore: Overwatch is *super* diverse, but all their characters (yes, even the fucking gorilla, Winston is handsome as fuck *and* he passes the harkness test) look *appealing.* Their bodies look well proportioned, even Roadhog who is a morbidly obese alcoholic with visible cirrhosis looks more visually appealing than *any* concord character, because even he looks like an idealised and larger than life (pun very intended) version of a morbidly obese alcoholic. Meanwhile concord characters look like frumpy cosplayers that wouldn't qualify for 3rd place at a backwater anime con somewhere in whatever US state has the worst inbreeding rates. Your example with DRG is very fitting as well because I don't think *most* people would call those characters sexually attractive (but trust me, *some* absolutely do), but they are extremely visually *appealing.* Bold recognizable shapes that fit their roles, good color combinations, fun presentations. Concord looks like it's about to scold you for microaggressing someone, DRG looks like it's about to attempt to burp another country's national anthem it hasn't even heard before. DRG oozes goliardic fun, while Concord looks and feels like the used dishrag at the bar where that team's art director will end up working if there is any justice in the world,

You absolutely can. Something bad and uninteresting is not an *improvement* on something mediocre and uninteresting. You don't get points for the jump if you shatter both your knees on the landing and the kneecaps fly out into the stands killing one of the hotdog vendors.

> demonizing queer repsentation as ugly. They're not, they're specifically saying Concord's character design is ugly for a lot of very practical and valid reasons, and *also* it's only representing a very specific minority of people who are a spit in the bucket of the total audience numbers necessary to support a *paid* live service title. So it's both doing a disservice to itself by just being incompetently made AND playing into the stereotype that minority rep always ends up ugly (an already very common sentiment due to how often cases of it sucking are spotlit) because it has basically nothing but that. Ironically had Concord had a more *actually diverse* cast, and not overwhelmingly represented a handful of pet groups the designers seemed to overwhelmingly favour, it would have not been possible to attack it as "they're all lame fat and/or gay." It still would have tanked, so on balance not much of an issue, but still.