Anyone who has been saying we are "on the road" to fascism can stop that shit now. The road is behind us. We're putting American citizens in concentration camps now.

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)

Trump says he'd like to deport US citizens to El Salvador: "I'd like to go a step further. I don't know what the laws are, we always have to obey the laws, but we also have homegrown criminals that push people into subways... I'd like to include them in the group of people to get out of the country"

Bluesky Social (bsky.app)

@Lana

It really frustrates me how tagging people with visceral images of evil "push people into subways" or "hit old woman with a baseball bat" however serious these claims might be remains an effective way to short circuit the ability of many Americans to reason.

"No one should have their liberty violated by the state without a trial."
"Yes, obviously."
"Except for these Really Bad Dudes(tm) who I claim have done unspeakable evil"
"That is so evil I will forget everything!"

@Lana

It really frustrates me how tagging people with visceral images of evil "push people into subways" or "hit old woman with a baseball bat" however serious these claims might be remains an effective way to short circuit the ability of many Americans to reason.

"No one should have their liberty violated by the state without a trial."
"Yes, obviously."
"Except for these Really Bad Dudes(tm) who I claim have done unspeakable evil"
"That is so evil I will forget everything!"

@Lana

And so much of the outrage at these often imaginary often racist and folklore like "evil acts" is ... performative.

I'm reminded of the kind of guy who boasts all of the time about the terrible things he wants to do "rapists" -- the kind of guy who describes in detail the horrible torture he'd inflict on "rapists" --He loves women so much, right?

Or does he love torture so much?

And when you point out that due process matters, YOU get called a monster for not sharing their bloodlust.

@futurebird When it's most difficult for criminals to be treated according to the law is when it's most critical.

@Lana

This whole mentality that if you aren't thrown into a state of rage that would make it easy to ignore the steps required to even know if you have the facts (if there even was a real crime) is a sign (to them) that you don't really care about women or children or their safety.

I don't want anyone to be tortured. Not even the most evil people. More human suffering is simply more human suffering. Nothing is undone by vengeance but, through vengeance more evil may be done. Is this radical?

@Lana

This isn't "empathy" it's a desire to actually know what happened and act in accordance with reality not the emotional urges evoked by tales of upsetting crimes.

If there are "really bad dudes" we should find them and know exactly who they are and stop them from acting again.

But as things are going we'll need to keep waiting for them to deny the rights of a person with enough means and social network to make the public emotional enough to stop this. This sucks.

@Lana

This whole mentality that if you aren't thrown into a state of rage that would make it easy to ignore the steps required to even know if you have the facts (if there even was a real crime) is a sign (to them) that you don't really care about women or children or their safety.

I don't want anyone to be tortured. Not even the most evil people. More human suffering is simply more human suffering. Nothing is undone by vengeance but, through vengeance more evil may be done. Is this radical?

@Lana

It really frustrates me how tagging people with visceral images of evil "push people into subways" or "hit old woman with a baseball bat" however serious these claims might be remains an effective way to short circuit the ability of many Americans to reason.

"No one should have their liberty violated by the state without a trial."
"Yes, obviously."
"Except for these Really Bad Dudes(tm) who I claim have done unspeakable evil"
"That is so evil I will forget everything!"

@futurebird @Lana He is the sort of person who would do those things so he speaks from a place of depravity, always projecting the worst of his own thoughts onto others.

@Lana

And so much of the outrage at these often imaginary often racist and folklore like "evil acts" is ... performative.

I'm reminded of the kind of guy who boasts all of the time about the terrible things he wants to do "rapists" -- the kind of guy who describes in detail the horrible torture he'd inflict on "rapists" --He loves women so much, right?

Or does he love torture so much?

And when you point out that due process matters, YOU get called a monster for not sharing their bloodlust.

@futurebird @Lana I’m pretty vocal about my history of CSA. Even well-meaning people often need me to be like… “hey, you responded to my experience of violence by wanting to inflict more violence, do you think that helps me? Do you think more violence will make me feel safer?”

Most of them get it. These guys tend to 180 and accuse me of deserving it, bc the violence is the point to them. But so many reasonable people default to that violence, too. It’s cultural IMO.

@futurebird @Lana I’m pretty vocal about my history of CSA. Even well-meaning people often need me to be like… “hey, you responded to my experience of violence by wanting to inflict more violence, do you think that helps me? Do you think more violence will make me feel safer?”

Most of them get it. These guys tend to 180 and accuse me of deserving it, bc the violence is the point to them. But so many reasonable people default to that violence, too. It’s cultural IMO.

@quietewe @futurebird @Lana

What is CSA?

@Lana

This whole mentality that if you aren't thrown into a state of rage that would make it easy to ignore the steps required to even know if you have the facts (if there even was a real crime) is a sign (to them) that you don't really care about women or children or their safety.

I don't want anyone to be tortured. Not even the most evil people. More human suffering is simply more human suffering. Nothing is undone by vengeance but, through vengeance more evil may be done. Is this radical?