@b0rk @futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo Yes, this. My next induction hob will have physical knobs. I have a Neff one with the magnetic dial thing but even then it's a little too magic.

So I'm thinking about how much I love my small fridge and start to eye the stove.

I do not need four burners. Two is enough. I do not need the oven. Period. I don't use it. I have a very nice, large toaster oven. It's more precise, uses less energy. (and you don't need to bend over)

So, why can't I just have a two burner range with half the width and GAIN counter-space and more storage again?

I've searched far and wide. I would need to buy a "nautical stove" made for a boat!

I feel like Jack (of the beanstalk) and shopping is like going to a mall in the land of the giants.

@futurebird but there are plenty of two-burner stoves sold? Both free standing, and integrated?

Update: huh, it's interesting, while German Ikea has three models of two-burner integrable induction stoves (https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/lagan-induktionskochfeld-plug-in-2-zonen-schwarz-70506096/ and https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/tillreda-induktionskochfeld-tragbar-2-zonen-weiss-70593121/ and https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/vaelbildad-induktionskochfeld-ikea-300-schwarz-20467592/) plus three models of single-burner, Ikea in USA has zero two-burner and two single-burner.

Apartment Design Chronicles (Continued)

I'm working on improving our apartment. We've lived here for 18 years and are not going anywhere probably for 18 more. So, thinking deeply about making it a better space is worth it.

On the subject of kitchens I have a burning question: Why are stoves so big? Honestly, why is everything so big? The oven, the stove the fridge. They are all massive. But with the fridge there are small options and because of it I use less energy and have more storage.

My big take always from the excellent comments on this thread are:

* Do not get a stove with touch controls. DO NOT.
* Maybe give induction cooking a try? I guess I could try it and see if we could just get rid of the whole stove?

We have a "landlord special" stove and it's huge and very ugly. Since I don't need to worry about "resale" or moving why should we keep it?

@IngaLovinde

I have been trying I promise. I feel like I'm swimming upstream.

My big take always from the excellent comments on this thread are:

* Do not get a stove with touch controls. DO NOT.
* Maybe give induction cooking a try? I guess I could try it and see if we could just get rid of the whole stove?

We have a "landlord special" stove and it's huge and very ugly. Since I don't need to worry about "resale" or moving why should we keep it?

Apartment Design Chronicles (Continued)

I'm working on improving our apartment. We've lived here for 18 years and are not going anywhere probably for 18 more. So, thinking deeply about making it a better space is worth it.

On the subject of kitchens I have a burning question: Why are stoves so big? Honestly, why is everything so big? The oven, the stove the fridge. They are all massive. But with the fridge there are small options and because of it I use less energy and have more storage.

Apartment Design Chronicles (Continued)

I'm working on improving our apartment. We've lived here for 18 years and are not going anywhere probably for 18 more. So, thinking deeply about making it a better space is worth it.

On the subject of kitchens I have a burning question: Why are stoves so big? Honestly, why is everything so big? The oven, the stove the fridge. They are all massive. But with the fridge there are small options and because of it I use less energy and have more storage.

@futurebird
We live in a small house in the country and are currently remodelling.
We will be choosing _at least_ 2 appliances designed for boats or motor homes.

@futurebird
If replacing the oven would be an issue and if it doesn't have a pilot light, the oven space could be used to store pots and pans.

Two or all four of the burners could be covered with a metal cover for extra counter space.

@jaystephens

Thank you for making me feel a little less freaky. Part of me thinks "it's not that complex, ordinary solutions should be fine" but

I don't think that's really true if I'm honest.

@futurebird
It's just silly - the standard appliances take up room I could use for something else, use more power than I need, and (for example oven) heat up slower because to big.
I've nothing against big when wanted - we'll go a huge fridge because we're in the subtropics, but I'd rather pay a little extra for something that fits my space and doesn't needlessly guzzle power to cook for just 1-2 people.

@jaystephens

Big fridge makes sense if going to buy food is a journey, or if you need to buy in bulk. But in NYC? Why would I store frozen meals in my house when I can store them downstairs at the grocery store and go get one if I'm hungry?

And never need to thrown them out if I forgot about them.

@futurebird I was listening to a couple episodes of The Checkout ( https://www.thecheckoutradio.com/ )and I wonder if it relates to the fact that grocery stores increased profits by increasing their stock of processed foods (frozen foods being a large part of that).

The monopolies in the food industry seem to guide a whole cascade of other social changes as we've conformed to how the industry wants to serve us food.

@jaystephens

@futurebird okay I don't know what are the common appliances brands or places to shop at are in US, but I also tried entering "induction two" into walmart search bar and got plenty of results too, even e.g. this one (with knobs!): https://www.walmart.com/ip/KFFKFF-Induction-Stove-1800W-Electric-Tabletop-Heater-Dual-Knob-Controlled-Burner-Integrated-Induction-Stove-12-Heat-Levels-Glass-Top-Automatic-Power/14836714105?classType=REGULAR&from=/search
I just wonder what am I missing.

So I'm thinking about how much I love my small fridge and start to eye the stove.

I do not need four burners. Two is enough. I do not need the oven. Period. I don't use it. I have a very nice, large toaster oven. It's more precise, uses less energy. (and you don't need to bend over)

So, why can't I just have a two burner range with half the width and GAIN counter-space and more storage again?

I've searched far and wide. I would need to buy a "nautical stove" made for a boat!

@futurebird Hunh, I was just clicking around and came across this all-in-one thing. https://a.co/d/ie7z47V

@JessTheUnstill @futurebird theres something about putting the hot and the cold and the wet so close together that makes me uncomfortable. like it should not be.