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A forum for discussing and organizing recreational softball and baseball games and leagues in the greater Halifax area.

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    @ngaylinn

    It will only make him more annoyed if after you do (not saying you should) you are still not impressed.

    I have tried it.

    In good faith too. Let me see if I can make this work. Can it save me any time?

    But the time savings are an illusion. I tried it for feedback on a poem and it was very flattering but then on reflection that felt hollow and I didn't want to trust the advice since... well I didn't write the poem for machine validation I write a poem to impress my friends.

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      @ngaylinn

      It will only make him more annoyed if after you do (not saying you should) you are still not impressed.

      I have tried it.

      In good faith too. Let me see if I can make this work. Can it save me any time?

      But the time savings are an illusion. I tried it for feedback on a poem and it was very flattering but then on reflection that felt hollow and I didn't want to trust the advice since... well I didn't write the poem for machine validation I write a poem to impress my friends.

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      @futurebird Indeed. I'm also confused that he feels it's been such an improvement in his life! In our exchange, he let an LLM edit one of his replies. Not only did I spot it immediately, but it was noticeably worse than the rest of our dialog. "Hollow" is a good word for it.

      There's no convincing him. And I wasn't trying to convince him, which is the weirdest part. He just got defensive and started trying to convince me...

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        @futurebird Indeed. I'm also confused that he feels it's been such an improvement in his life! In our exchange, he let an LLM edit one of his replies. Not only did I spot it immediately, but it was noticeably worse than the rest of our dialog. "Hollow" is a good word for it.

        There's no convincing him. And I wasn't trying to convince him, which is the weirdest part. He just got defensive and started trying to convince me...

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        @ngaylinn

        People are scared that people look down on them for leaning on this tech, he may have been using it much more in ways you don't know about.

        I think that there is an impulse to hide the use kind of says everything. The shame isn't coming from other people, it's ones own self-respect saying that this is lazy, inconsiderate, hollow.

        AI use guilt is real. And justified.

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          @ngaylinn

          People are scared that people look down on them for leaning on this tech, he may have been using it much more in ways you don't know about.

          I think that there is an impulse to hide the use kind of says everything. The shame isn't coming from other people, it's ones own self-respect saying that this is lazy, inconsiderate, hollow.

          AI use guilt is real. And justified.

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          @ngaylinn

          I know of some one who asks AI things like "my co-worker asked me to cover for them, how do I say no without making them mad?"

          It might be OK advice, but by using it one is avoiding the friction and danger of human interactions.

          I get it. Social interactions are terrifying. But, if I use a machine to help me never make a "mistake" will anyone even know who I am anymore? I am an annoying person. That would be lost.

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            @ngaylinn

            I know of some one who asks AI things like "my co-worker asked me to cover for them, how do I say no without making them mad?"

            It might be OK advice, but by using it one is avoiding the friction and danger of human interactions.

            I get it. Social interactions are terrifying. But, if I use a machine to help me never make a "mistake" will anyone even know who I am anymore? I am an annoying person. That would be lost.

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            @ngaylinn

            I guess that's why doing that for an email to a boss seems less offensive than doing it for an email to a friend.

            That said, I don't even really think the tech is very good at this type of thing. You will always need to proof-read and edit, and edit and edit.

            By the time you are done it's the same process.

            Unless you close your eyes and hit "send" and hope no one notices you sound like a creepy overly friendly creature from an advertisement. And some people are doing this.

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              @ngaylinn

              I guess that's why doing that for an email to a boss seems less offensive than doing it for an email to a friend.

              That said, I don't even really think the tech is very good at this type of thing. You will always need to proof-read and edit, and edit and edit.

              By the time you are done it's the same process.

              Unless you close your eyes and hit "send" and hope no one notices you sound like a creepy overly friendly creature from an advertisement. And some people are doing this.

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              @futurebird @ngaylinn

              “[...] sound like a creepy overly friendly creature from an advertisement.”

              That's the preferred mode of communication in some corporations. I once had a co-worker who caught flak that she didn't use enough emojis, and therefore “seemed unfriendly”. (I included her gender, because I suspect that played a role.) Reminds me of the scene with “How much flair is required?” in Office Space.

              I think this is why the LinkedIn crowd loves LLMs, that kind of hollow, performative cheeriness is the ideal which is being aspired to.

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                @ngaylinn

                I guess that's why doing that for an email to a boss seems less offensive than doing it for an email to a friend.

                That said, I don't even really think the tech is very good at this type of thing. You will always need to proof-read and edit, and edit and edit.

                By the time you are done it's the same process.

                Unless you close your eyes and hit "send" and hope no one notices you sound like a creepy overly friendly creature from an advertisement. And some people are doing this.

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                @futurebird
                My wife is incredibly much more productive if she starts with something on the page and can edit it. Almost all her scientific papers started out with me writing some bullshit about the topic and her then writing an entire paper about how wrong I was 😅 anyway now she outsources that to AI! AI took my job!
                @ngaylinn

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                  @futurebird
                  My wife is incredibly much more productive if she starts with something on the page and can edit it. Almost all her scientific papers started out with me writing some bullshit about the topic and her then writing an entire paper about how wrong I was 😅 anyway now she outsources that to AI! AI took my job!
                  @ngaylinn

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                  @dlakelan @ngaylinn

                  OMG I should ask my husband to write a paragraph about ants. It would cause a whole book.

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                    @futurebird @ngaylinn

                    “[...] sound like a creepy overly friendly creature from an advertisement.”

                    That's the preferred mode of communication in some corporations. I once had a co-worker who caught flak that she didn't use enough emojis, and therefore “seemed unfriendly”. (I included her gender, because I suspect that played a role.) Reminds me of the scene with “How much flair is required?” in Office Space.

                    I think this is why the LinkedIn crowd loves LLMs, that kind of hollow, performative cheeriness is the ideal which is being aspired to.

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                    @Lemmus @futurebird @ngaylinn

                    I'm job searching right now, and I have access to coaching for that from a severance benefit. The advice is almost 100% use LLMs. Use LLMs to write your LinkedIn profile. Use LLMs to suggest edits to your resume to match a job description. Use LLMs to prepare for interviews. And much of it is justified because recruiters and HR are going to be using LLMs to filter resumes and such. The whole thing just feels gross.

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