That's such a fantastic metaphor.

Hm. Haven't played in a LONG while. Are there still people that play Roleplay games with the objective to win? (or their own consideration of 'winning') and now I can't stop imagining Charlie Sheen playing a minimax character.

My friend, this is Call of Cthulhu, where "OP" means you die two sessions after the rest.

OP in Call of Cthulhu is just Mr. Magoo.

PF2E? I've only played PF1E and you can definitely make some broken stuff, but that's kinda the fun part of PF1E. If you take fucking sacred geometry you suck, though. And nobody wants to get out the flow chart for grappling.

> Are there still people that play Roleplay games with the objective to win? There are definitely storypaths and modules that are explicitly designed to challenge your ability to not-die. You've got the [Tomb of Horrors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Horrors) from classic D&D and it's Pathfinder peer [Rappan Athuk](https://www.froggodgames.com/products/16140) from pathfinder. Having played Rappan Athuk, I'll say that the style of the dungeon is "unforgiving" to say the least. It effectively exists to either kill you outright or suck you in deeper, where the challenges grow exponentially more difficult. The designers have done their own rules-bending and system-exploiting such that min-maxed players are on even footing. By the end, you're squaring off against nigh-impossible to kill elder gods using whatever spare gum and twine still remains in your inventory. In these kinds of games, you're tacitly encouraged to build characters that are cracked out (or, at least, bands of blissfully naive heroes who will die in an absurdly entertaining fashion). In this case, the RPG plays more like a Beat The Boss board game than a storytime adventure.

I played a level 20 monk in one campaign as a tag-along guide to the party. She would routinely make quick actions or tip the scales of battle, but no one in the game knew. She took no rewards and was secretly hunting the person who had hired the party. It was fun to play it out with the DM and friends.


This is the traditional Greek meaning of hubris.

Ah,the story of the worst DM ever, an inability to say no, and a table that doesn't actually use the rulebook at all.

Anything your character can do so can my NPCs. My players were tearified when they got an arrow that drops a portable whole into a small bag of hold.

I know some people that like making really powerful character builds but they usually do still get into the roleplay. I run mostly roleplay focused sessions so it doesn't make much difference other than that it becomes more difficult to make the fights engaging for everyone.

Doesn't matter how OP your character is, they can't defeat the cosmos. It does however matter how OP your character is compared to the other players. Don't want power imbalance, so I make the rest just as OP.

Of course! They win when they have fun

yeah pf2e basically they made a really solid game, and grapling is the most broken thing (it's not very broken)

Gonna be doing a star wars campaign and so far the only thing I know about my character is that it's gonna be 3 pit droids in a trenchcoat and that shenanigans will ensure, but I won't intentionally break the game.

DM: “Roll to attack.” Monk: “Er… 43.” Party: Poker face