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Debunking the grey market beyond Steam

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    A monopoly isn‘t good if the product is good. It‘s still bad.
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    Now we're just making things up to justify a bad take?
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      Now we're just making things up to justify a bad take?
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      What‘s made up?
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        My view is if you don't like a distribution platform taking 20-30% of the sale then don't use that distribution platform. It's a free market and a free internet. Use Epic, GOG, or host it yourself If I don't like what Comcast charges I don't do a class action lawsuit.
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        > if you don't like a distribution platform taking 20-30% of the sale then don't use that distribution platform Excuse my frank speech but that's *absolute bollocks* and lacks any understanding at all of how a monopoly works.
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          What‘s made up?
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          Calling it a monopoly. They didn't lobby to have the market share. They have competitors who can't make a product as good. Just calling it a monopoly because you think it's an easy win in an argument doesn't just make it a monopoly.
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            Calling it a monopoly. They didn't lobby to have the market share. They have competitors who can't make a product as good. Just calling it a monopoly because you think it's an easy win in an argument doesn't just make it a monopoly.
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            This is not how a monopoly is defined in any civilised country.
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              This is not how a monopoly is defined in any civilised country.
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              If a dev loses substantial access to the market if they don‘t use a service, this service is a quasi monopoly. They are forced to use Steam, customers are then forced to use Steam if they want the game. Steam charges astronomical fees, that is their monopoly exploit.
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                It is where it is because it was the first. If tomorrow someone made a better Steam you’d still buy everything there because that’s where all your games are. Be honest with yourself.
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                Brother I already buy things on GoG lol. Steam is great and all but ownership is far more important to me personally
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                  Brother I already buy things on GoG lol. Steam is great and all but ownership is far more important to me personally
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                  Great! Not everything’s available there unfortunately. Some games release on Steam only even. So you probably are affected either way. 90% of people buy on Steam. And they do that because their entire libraries are on Steam.
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                  • misk@sopuli.xyzM misk@sopuli.xyz
                    This is not how a monopoly is defined in any civilised country.
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                    You are straight up just using your opinion to justify a point and i won't have any further part of the conversation.
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                      It is where it is because it was the first. If tomorrow someone made a better Steam you’d still buy everything there because that’s where all your games are. Be honest with yourself.
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                      Translation: agree with me or you are wrong.
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                        Translation: agree with me or you are wrong.
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                        Earth is round.
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                        • ? Guest
                          You are straight up just using your opinion to justify a point and i won't have any further part of the conversation.
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                          What he’s saying is so blatantly wrong and easily verifiable that now you’re the contrarian.
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                            If you lose access to a vast majority of the market if you don‘t use a service, it’s a monopoly. Don’t defend monopolists.
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                            Steam does *nothing* to prevent running non-steam games on any platform.
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                              Steam does *nothing* to prevent running non-steam games on any platform.
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                              It‘s not about platform compatibility or difference in fees. It‘s about the necessity to go through Steam (at competitive prices) and bow to whatever they may come up with in the future. The generic danger of a monopoly.
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                                Steam does *nothing* to prevent running non-steam games on any platform.
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                                > Charge 20-30% extra on Steam and call it done. Steam doesn't let you do that. This is literally what the lawsuit is about.
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                                  > if you don't like a distribution platform taking 20-30% of the sale then don't use that distribution platform Excuse my frank speech but that's *absolute bollocks* and lacks any understanding at all of how a monopoly works.
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                                  Is there a monopoly though? Other store fronts exist. They are usable and often sell the same games. It's not Nestle owning half the food options in every food store, this is whole foods, vs all the other grocery stores. You can get game pass and stream your games and never own them past your subscription lasts. Or the Microsoft game store which isn't great but exists. GOG gives you installers and has big games on it. Fanatical, GMG, Humble Bundle, are all store fronts. You could even consider Nintendo and PlayStation to have their own game storefronts while needing their hardware. Is Steam a monopoly?
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                                    I dunno about those lame features, I use Steam because AAA mostly gets exclusively released there on PC. It kinda sucks.
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                                    That's most likely just cause they enjoy the auto downloader, patch tools and antichrist software that they can bundle in. GOG has installers for AAA games like Witcher and Baldurs Gate 3 because the developers were better about giving the option. Heck lots of AAA games on epic. We don't complain about PlayStation and Nintendo exclusives. Blame the developers for liking the easy features to only be on Steam. Ask them to change not Valve.
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                                      Earth is round.
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                                        That's most likely just cause they enjoy the auto downloader, patch tools and antichrist software that they can bundle in. GOG has installers for AAA games like Witcher and Baldurs Gate 3 because the developers were better about giving the option. Heck lots of AAA games on epic. We don't complain about PlayStation and Nintendo exclusives. Blame the developers for liking the easy features to only be on Steam. Ask them to change not Valve.
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                                        Epic pays handsome sums for exclusives, can’t blame the devs for taking it. They go to Valve to not miss out on the gigantic market share cause it’s a monopoly. And I *do* complain about Nintendo and PlayStation exclusives 😉
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                                          Epic pays handsome sums for exclusives, can’t blame the devs for taking it. They go to Valve to not miss out on the gigantic market share cause it’s a monopoly. And I *do* complain about Nintendo and PlayStation exclusives 😉
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                                          But they could release their own installer like CD project Red and other studios do. They don't want to miss out on the ease of the installer that enables a larger market share. That's not a monopoly. Literally.
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