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I haven't played much dnd, do people expect stat blocks to be fixed? Like, is meta knowledge such a part of the game that its a dick move for gm to change it?Meta kills some kinds of fun and, for lack of a better term, can be like topping from the bottom. If you're trying to keep it out of your game with this method, your group is dysfunctional either because there are misaligned goals or the gm and players are in a pissing contest.
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Meta kills some kinds of fun and, for lack of a better term, can be like topping from the bottom. If you're trying to keep it out of your game with this method, your group is dysfunctional either because there are misaligned goals or the gm and players are in a pissing contest.Im not really asking from a power-dynamics standpoint, more as a narrative tool. As a gm I change the world to make what I see as a better story (no cheating necessary I'm literally the universe). Like, if the players do an ambush of BBE and (according to the rules) one-shot 'em, he'd have a shielding amulet leaving him heavily maimed but alive. Not cause how dare you kill my beautiful npc, it's just kinda anticlimactic otherwise. (Unless the ambush was a huge challenge in itself. Then we're good, murder away)
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Im not really asking from a power-dynamics standpoint, more as a narrative tool. As a gm I change the world to make what I see as a better story (no cheating necessary I'm literally the universe). Like, if the players do an ambush of BBE and (according to the rules) one-shot 'em, he'd have a shielding amulet leaving him heavily maimed but alive. Not cause how dare you kill my beautiful npc, it's just kinda anticlimactic otherwise. (Unless the ambush was a huge challenge in itself. Then we're good, murder away)If you're using a narrative tool and people in your group are trying to counter it with meta, then there's a disagreement on what the purpose of playing is. But that's not what you're asking. As for narrative tools, if your story depends on stat blocks, it's probably too narrowly defined by combat for excitement. There are better ways to create encounters that are interesting and not based solely on combat. I've always expected and embraced surprises as a GM. Players not picking up on the plot hook dangling in front of them? There are narrative consequences (consequences, not punishments). The bbe was too easy? They were a pawn for a secret cabal that is now paying attention to you or they are split across four physical bodies that have to be killed at the same time or it was really just a parasite that was controlling them and escaped or they were only doing bad things to prevent oblivion gates from opening or a million other ways to make things interesting over a bunch of "Um, actually the monster manual says it has 68 hit points and we've already done 72 so shouldn't it be dead?" "No, I've given it extra hit points to keep things exciting!" Combat can be a satisfying conclusion to things but it's also often the least creative.
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Im not really asking from a power-dynamics standpoint, more as a narrative tool. As a gm I change the world to make what I see as a better story (no cheating necessary I'm literally the universe). Like, if the players do an ambush of BBE and (according to the rules) one-shot 'em, he'd have a shielding amulet leaving him heavily maimed but alive. Not cause how dare you kill my beautiful npc, it's just kinda anticlimactic otherwise. (Unless the ambush was a huge challenge in itself. Then we're good, murder away)from my experience i'd say players expect that certain monsters behave a certain way, e.g. trolls regenerate, displacer beasts teleport around and a vampire can suck your blood, rather than a bear has 16 strength 60hp and so on and players value consistency, so if a kind of monster had no fire resistance the first time they've encountered it they should not have it next time only because the wizzard destroyed 5 of them with a fireball. some players read published adventures though and get irritated if a game master changes stuff, but those guys can run their own game where everything is straight from the book rather than adapted to the group.
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I'm glad I don't play with people like this.
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Im not really asking from a power-dynamics standpoint, more as a narrative tool. As a gm I change the world to make what I see as a better story (no cheating necessary I'm literally the universe). Like, if the players do an ambush of BBE and (according to the rules) one-shot 'em, he'd have a shielding amulet leaving him heavily maimed but alive. Not cause how dare you kill my beautiful npc, it's just kinda anticlimactic otherwise. (Unless the ambush was a huge challenge in itself. Then we're good, murder away)Ive dmed for 15 years, only putting out the hasbro certified stat blocks is a sign of a bad dm imo. The health stat is way off for most creatures, a house cat should not be able to easily kill a grown man. Additionally most creatures have been thinned down for 5e, so giving them some extra spell options or abilities feels better to me. Additionally narrative reasons to change the block makes sense a lot of the time. If theyre fighting trolls that live in a volcano, fire damage might not be the key that fits the lock.
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from my experience i'd say players expect that certain monsters behave a certain way, e.g. trolls regenerate, displacer beasts teleport around and a vampire can suck your blood, rather than a bear has 16 strength 60hp and so on and players value consistency, so if a kind of monster had no fire resistance the first time they've encountered it they should not have it next time only because the wizzard destroyed 5 of them with a fireball. some players read published adventures though and get irritated if a game master changes stuff, but those guys can run their own game where everything is straight from the book rather than adapted to the group.
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>so if a kind of monster had no fire resistance the first time they've encountered it they should not have it next time only because the wizzard destroyed 5 of them with a fireball Unless you're fighting Borg, of course
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Ive dmed for 15 years, only putting out the hasbro certified stat blocks is a sign of a bad dm imo. The health stat is way off for most creatures, a house cat should not be able to easily kill a grown man. Additionally most creatures have been thinned down for 5e, so giving them some extra spell options or abilities feels better to me. Additionally narrative reasons to change the block makes sense a lot of the time. If theyre fighting trolls that live in a volcano, fire damage might not be the key that fits the lock.A house cat can't can't easily kill a grown man. They have 1d4 hp against a Commoner's 1d8, and 1 damage against a Commoner's 1d4. Granted, that's assuming the Commoner is carrying their default club, but even unarmed the cat would have to be very lucky. Though one in eight Commoners have 1hp, and could easily die to a cat (or basically anything that can deal damage). They had better odds in 3.5, given that they could deal two 1hp attacks per round instead of just one and a level one Commoner only had 1d4 hp, but in there Commoners are a leveled class and it wasn't clear how many were only level one.
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A house cat can't can't easily kill a grown man. They have 1d4 hp against a Commoner's 1d8, and 1 damage against a Commoner's 1d4. Granted, that's assuming the Commoner is carrying their default club, but even unarmed the cat would have to be very lucky. Though one in eight Commoners have 1hp, and could easily die to a cat (or basically anything that can deal damage). They had better odds in 3.5, given that they could deal two 1hp attacks per round instead of just one and a level one Commoner only had 1d4 hp, but in there Commoners are a leveled class and it wasn't clear how many were only level one.
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I haven't played much dnd, do people expect stat blocks to be fixed? Like, is meta knowledge such a part of the game that its a dick move for gm to change it?
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I haven't played much dnd, do people expect stat blocks to be fixed? Like, is meta knowledge such a part of the game that its a dick move for gm to change it?
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Im not really asking from a power-dynamics standpoint, more as a narrative tool. As a gm I change the world to make what I see as a better story (no cheating necessary I'm literally the universe). Like, if the players do an ambush of BBE and (according to the rules) one-shot 'em, he'd have a shielding amulet leaving him heavily maimed but alive. Not cause how dare you kill my beautiful npc, it's just kinda anticlimactic otherwise. (Unless the ambush was a huge challenge in itself. Then we're good, murder away)One of the reasons I like Fate is it has tooling to avoid that kind of anti-climax without it feeling like an asspull. The BBEG is sitting in his office and the players, through hard work and planning, get the jump on him. Their first attack roll is net +8 stress. That's enough to kill almost anything! I as GM decide the BBEG is going to take a consequence ("Covered in Acid Burns" or whatever), and then *[concede](https://fate-srd.com/fate-core/conceding-conflict)*. Conceding is at the player level, not the character level. This is where you as a group decide on how the BBEG survives, but loses this scene. Maybe he teleports away, but leaves his computer unlocked. Maybe he drains the life force of his favorite second in command to save himself, damaging morale and loyalty. It's up to the group. Some people _hate_ this style of play, and want to be told a story rather then tell one as a group. That's fine. But it's hard for me to take off the GM hat, so I like when players also have a lot of say in the story.
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One of the reasons I like Fate is it has tooling to avoid that kind of anti-climax without it feeling like an asspull. The BBEG is sitting in his office and the players, through hard work and planning, get the jump on him. Their first attack roll is net +8 stress. That's enough to kill almost anything! I as GM decide the BBEG is going to take a consequence ("Covered in Acid Burns" or whatever), and then *[concede](https://fate-srd.com/fate-core/conceding-conflict)*. Conceding is at the player level, not the character level. This is where you as a group decide on how the BBEG survives, but loses this scene. Maybe he teleports away, but leaves his computer unlocked. Maybe he drains the life force of his favorite second in command to save himself, damaging morale and loyalty. It's up to the group. Some people _hate_ this style of play, and want to be told a story rather then tell one as a group. That's fine. But it's hard for me to take off the GM hat, so I like when players also have a lot of say in the story.
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I haven't played much dnd, do people expect stat blocks to be fixed? Like, is meta knowledge such a part of the game that its a dick move for gm to change it?