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Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney argues banning Twitter over its ability to AI-generate pornographic images of minors is just 'gatekeepers' attempting to 'censor all of their political opponents'

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  • D deranger@sh.itjust.works
    >I didn't figure I'd ever have to explain to someone why *abusing a human child* is fundamentally different from and worse than drawing on top of a fuckin' JPEG. Holy shit. You don’t. Stop inventing arguments and read what the fuck I’m writing. Answer _those_ questions. What advantage does having unique terms for real and AI content confer? Answer in one sentence.
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    mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    Because of the sentence you just quoted.
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      The issue with child porn is how you specify victim. One could argue easily available pornographic images of fake children increases the market and desire for pornographic images of real children and as such can result in more victims. Especially if someone can argue that images of real victims are "fake and AI generated." In regards to X and Grok however, my understanding is it is taking images of real children and producing naked images of those children. So there are real victims and Tim Sweeny is saying that shouldn't be censored.
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      > One could argue easily available pornographic images of fake children increases the market and desire for pornographic images of real children and as such can result in more victims Not speaking to any realistic images (which, if nothing else, make it harder for real investigations into child abuse to happen), only cartoon drawings and the like, but it's hard for me to separate this logic from all of the calls about video game violence. That moves things into 'pre crime' territory. "We're going to jail you for having fake drawn images because we think those will cause you to commit a real crime in the future". That's also extremely problematic and has been rightly criticized when it's used to censor violent games, movies and music.
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        > One could argue easily available pornographic images of fake children increases the market and desire for pornographic images of real children and as such can result in more victims Not speaking to any realistic images (which, if nothing else, make it harder for real investigations into child abuse to happen), only cartoon drawings and the like, but it's hard for me to separate this logic from all of the calls about video game violence. That moves things into 'pre crime' territory. "We're going to jail you for having fake drawn images because we think those will cause you to commit a real crime in the future". That's also extremely problematic and has been rightly criticized when it's used to censor violent games, movies and music.
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        Okay, but the original post is how Grok is taking pictures of children and removing their clothes. That's not cartoons and not fictional people, so I don't know why the conversation is being shifted this far away from the actual issue at hand here.
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          Man I just ran into 3 site blockages trying to open this. Somebody REALLY doesn’t want this to be read.
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          I use a VPN for 99.9% of personal Internet usage and had no issues connecting. So you're probably correct that it's being blocked by some means either intentional or not.
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            The difference here is that the content is explicitly illegal in almost every jurisdiction in the world. And it's not as if Twitter (I'm not calling it x) is a niche platform that regulators may not have yet noticed. It's a huge company that's doing very illegal things very much out in the open. That might fly in fascist land USA but I don't see why the rest of the world should put up with it.
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            sunsofold@lemmings.world
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            The 'content' actually may not be illegal in many places. Laws in a number of places do not include non-photographic representations because the harm is in the creation of the imagery by abusing real human children or the incentivisation of abuse by purchasing the material. At any rate, the point is that it's not the platform but the content people object to. Closing twitter down would not stop people who want it from using GenAI to make images. The tech exists now and we will have to figure out how to handle that.
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            • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
              It's a crime, but it's not the same crime as taking the actual clothes off the actual girl. She was not physically abused. She was not even *involved.*
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              She will be, if some asshat sees the pic and takes it for real and thinks she is OK with bring raped because the loses naked (there are enough asshats that have that mindset)
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                The 'content' actually may not be illegal in many places. Laws in a number of places do not include non-photographic representations because the harm is in the creation of the imagery by abusing real human children or the incentivisation of abuse by purchasing the material. At any rate, the point is that it's not the platform but the content people object to. Closing twitter down would not stop people who want it from using GenAI to make images. The tech exists now and we will have to figure out how to handle that.
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                >Closing twitter down would not stop people who want it from using GenAI to make images. I feel like you didn't read my previous comment. That is not an excuse. The problem is that they are hosting the content quite happily without doing anything about it.
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                  For some reason Epic studios just let Tim Sweeney say the most insane things. If I was a shareholder I'd want someone to take his phone off him.
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                  They could learn a lesson from Tesla.
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                    She will be, if some asshat sees the pic and takes it for real and thinks she is OK with bring raped because the loses naked (there are enough asshats that have that mindset)
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                    mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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                    Congratulations on the worst take in a competitive field. Just... what the fuck? What is it about this distinction that makes people lose all sense? 'Hey bearing in mind we're still talking about criminal creeping on children, it's important to remember that actual touching is worse than doodling over images, so let's not dilute a term specifically f--' *'There is no difference between fiction and reality because what if a crazy person couldn't tell fiction from reality?!'* Get help.
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                      Did Covid-19 make everyone lose their minds? This isn't even about being cruel or egotistical. This is just a stupid thing to say. Has the world lost the concept of PR??? Genuinely defending 𝕏 in the year 2026... for Deepfake porn including of minors!!???? From the Fortnite company guy???
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                      Trump has shown these oligarchs that they don't have to pretend to not be arrogant oligarchs anymore. They can speak their minds without suffering any kind of repercussion or censure for their insane narcissistic greed.
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