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Chebucto Regional Softball Club

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A forum for discussing and organizing recreational softball and baseball games and leagues in the greater Halifax area.

Love this model.

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  • myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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    Love this model. This is just down the street from us and I often walk by. Over the past decade the South Bronx has been built up in many ways. There aren't many empty lots or abandoned buildings anymore. Everywhere there's housing and I see no reason why addressing homelessness can't be a big part of that too.

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    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

      Love this model. This is just down the street from us and I often walk by. Over the past decade the South Bronx has been built up in many ways. There aren't many empty lots or abandoned buildings anymore. Everywhere there's housing and I see no reason why addressing homelessness can't be a big part of that too.

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      The things that make homelessness an annoyance or "inconvenience" for people who aren't homeless are mostly down to people not having a place to live. When you address that those issues* go away, and they just become your neighbors.

      *It' s really absurd that when one person in suffering, sick on the train because there is no where else to go everyone is concerned about the people on the train who have a place to live but that is where the politics is.

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      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

        The things that make homelessness an annoyance or "inconvenience" for people who aren't homeless are mostly down to people not having a place to live. When you address that those issues* go away, and they just become your neighbors.

        *It' s really absurd that when one person in suffering, sick on the train because there is no where else to go everyone is concerned about the people on the train who have a place to live but that is where the politics is.

        myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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        More to the point the shelters in NYC are not a place anyone wants to be and with very good reason.

        There is a lot of low hanging fruit. Anyone who is homeless with a job and kids should just be admitted to this kind of program with few questions. These are people who will get on their feet again if we'd just stop making it so hard.

        There are more complex and difficult cases and maybe the shelters could do a better job if some of the pressure was taken off.

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        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

          More to the point the shelters in NYC are not a place anyone wants to be and with very good reason.

          There is a lot of low hanging fruit. Anyone who is homeless with a job and kids should just be admitted to this kind of program with few questions. These are people who will get on their feet again if we'd just stop making it so hard.

          There are more complex and difficult cases and maybe the shelters could do a better job if some of the pressure was taken off.

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          I tend to come into school early. When I was at a different school from the one I work at now I came in at 6:30 one day and found one of my students in the back of the room. He'd discovered that the big cabinets at the back of the room weren't really being used for anything and taken one over to store his stuff. He'd hung up posters inside and neatly stacked his clothes and sneakers. He was listening to music and didn't notice me walking in.

          "David* when did you get here?"

          *not his name

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            I tend to come into school early. When I was at a different school from the one I work at now I came in at 6:30 one day and found one of my students in the back of the room. He'd discovered that the big cabinets at the back of the room weren't really being used for anything and taken one over to store his stuff. He'd hung up posters inside and neatly stacked his clothes and sneakers. He was listening to music and didn't notice me walking in.

            "David* when did you get here?"

            *not his name

            myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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            "The school opens at 5, miss." He said.

            Basically, he'd made himself a little corner of a typical teenager's bedroom in the storage cabinet. Because at the shelter your stuff might go missing.

            Not because people steal either, no the people who run the shelters just throw things away without warning.

            Think about what that does to you mentally, to never feel like you can even put an item down and ever find it again.

            In the next year he and his dad were doing much better.

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            • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

              "The school opens at 5, miss." He said.

              Basically, he'd made himself a little corner of a typical teenager's bedroom in the storage cabinet. Because at the shelter your stuff might go missing.

              Not because people steal either, no the people who run the shelters just throw things away without warning.

              Think about what that does to you mentally, to never feel like you can even put an item down and ever find it again.

              In the next year he and his dad were doing much better.

              myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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              But for most of that year he'd stay at the building from 5am to 7pm every day.

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              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                More to the point the shelters in NYC are not a place anyone wants to be and with very good reason.

                There is a lot of low hanging fruit. Anyone who is homeless with a job and kids should just be admitted to this kind of program with few questions. These are people who will get on their feet again if we'd just stop making it so hard.

                There are more complex and difficult cases and maybe the shelters could do a better job if some of the pressure was taken off.

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                @futurebird There are a lot of lies about homeless people like that most of them “don’t want housing and refuse it,” which is actually them not wanting to stay in temporary shelters that are unsafe and/or will require them to give up their stuff, separate from loved ones, etc.

                Almost all homeless people are homeless because they don’t have money and the rent is too damn high, not because they are contrarians or something.

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                • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                  But for most of that year he'd stay at the building from 5am to 7pm every day.

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                  I had a chance later to talk to someone who works at a big city shelter and I told them about my student and how traumatized he was by having his stuff just vanish without warning. She swore up and down it didn't work like that, but reading between what she said I detected that there are just too many people, not enough staff and not enough space.

                  So, the people running the shelters have "trash out days" where they just throw things out. Otherwise the place would fill up with garbage.

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                    I had a chance later to talk to someone who works at a big city shelter and I told them about my student and how traumatized he was by having his stuff just vanish without warning. She swore up and down it didn't work like that, but reading between what she said I detected that there are just too many people, not enough staff and not enough space.

                    So, the people running the shelters have "trash out days" where they just throw things out. Otherwise the place would fill up with garbage.

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                    You have people who really need mental health services, former hoarders mixed in with teens like my student, and so there is a "no stuff" policy.

                    But, everyone needs some space that they can *control* not having any place to put anything will make your lose your mind.

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                    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                      You have people who really need mental health services, former hoarders mixed in with teens like my student, and so there is a "no stuff" policy.

                      But, everyone needs some space that they can *control* not having any place to put anything will make your lose your mind.

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                      @futurebird A great service for homeless people would be lockers where they could keep their really important small items but God forbid we treat homeless people like actual people, right?

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                      • Misuse CaseM Misuse Case

                        @futurebird A great service for homeless people would be lockers where they could keep their really important small items but God forbid we treat homeless people like actual people, right?

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                        @MisuseCase

                        They do have lockers, which are searched all the time, but still. Thing is his locker was full of food, medicine, essentials. The school cabinet was his "teen junk"

                        basically we don't do enough or think about "what would I feel like if I had to put up with this" enough.

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                        • Misuse CaseM Misuse Case

                          @futurebird There are a lot of lies about homeless people like that most of them “don’t want housing and refuse it,” which is actually them not wanting to stay in temporary shelters that are unsafe and/or will require them to give up their stuff, separate from loved ones, etc.

                          Almost all homeless people are homeless because they don’t have money and the rent is too damn high, not because they are contrarians or something.

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                          @MisuseCase @futurebird there's also a lot of addiction in homelessness, and a lot of stigma about getting help for that. I mean, it makes sense to get the easier cases done and dusted, but addiction treatment is really key as well. And yeah some of those people have jobs too! But some of them are far from being able to work.

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                            @MisuseCase @futurebird there's also a lot of addiction in homelessness, and a lot of stigma about getting help for that. I mean, it makes sense to get the easier cases done and dusted, but addiction treatment is really key as well. And yeah some of those people have jobs too! But some of them are far from being able to work.

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                            @quinn @MisuseCase @futurebird

                            Stop it. More addiction issues result from homelessness than the other way around. Unless you've been there, you have no idea how much stress is caused by not having a safe, private place to sleep; from being treated like nothing; demeaned, degraded, insulted, or forced to leave a place you feel safe and comfortable; by not having anywhere to shower and brush your teeth, and so much more.....HOUSING FIRST resolves most of the problems related to homelessness.

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                              @quinn @MisuseCase @futurebird

                              Stop it. More addiction issues result from homelessness than the other way around. Unless you've been there, you have no idea how much stress is caused by not having a safe, private place to sleep; from being treated like nothing; demeaned, degraded, insulted, or forced to leave a place you feel safe and comfortable; by not having anywhere to shower and brush your teeth, and so much more.....HOUSING FIRST resolves most of the problems related to homelessness.

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                              @Oma_Trisha_F @MisuseCase @futurebird I have absolutely been there. More than once. At one point with a young child.

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                                @Oma_Trisha_F @MisuseCase @futurebird I have absolutely been there. More than once. At one point with a young child.

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                                @quinn @MisuseCase @futurebird

                                Then there is NO EXCUSE for your comment. Not one. It's nothing but judgmentalism and cruelty.

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                                  @quinn @MisuseCase @futurebird

                                  Then there is NO EXCUSE for your comment. Not one. It's nothing but judgmentalism and cruelty.

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                                  @Oma_Trisha_F @quinn @MisuseCase

                                  I think you are badly misreading Quinn's tone, meaning and responses. I'm a little confused.

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