Kristi Noem, US Secretary of Homeland Security, and Gregory Bovino long time "senior official" in the US Border Patrol, who seems to have no further formal title despite being a high profile spokesman have both said that "politicians and media" have co...
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Kristi Noem, US Secretary of Homeland Security, and Gregory Bovino long time "senior official" in the US Border Patrol, who seems to have no further formal title despite being a high profile spokesman have both said that "politicians and media" have confused, us, the public about what ICE is really doing.
When they aren't calling protestors "paid agitators" they insist that we have been mislead by "democrats" to think that ICE is out of control.
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Kristi Noem, US Secretary of Homeland Security, and Gregory Bovino long time "senior official" in the US Border Patrol, who seems to have no further formal title despite being a high profile spokesman have both said that "politicians and media" have confused, us, the public about what ICE is really doing.
When they aren't calling protestors "paid agitators" they insist that we have been mislead by "democrats" to think that ICE is out of control.
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That's a ridiculous assertion. A pathetic attempt to deflect from the documentary evidence showing ICE stormtroopers invade American cities and shoot people in the streets
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That's a ridiculous assertion. A pathetic attempt to deflect from the documentary evidence showing ICE stormtroopers invade American cities and shoot people in the streets
@futurebird trump is championing the ICE executions
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Kristi Noem, US Secretary of Homeland Security, and Gregory Bovino long time "senior official" in the US Border Patrol, who seems to have no further formal title despite being a high profile spokesman have both said that "politicians and media" have confused, us, the public about what ICE is really doing.
When they aren't calling protestors "paid agitators" they insist that we have been mislead by "democrats" to think that ICE is out of control.
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@futurebird I dunno, I saw armed thugs dressed as ICE agents execute three people in broad daylight. They should probably send in some kind of government police force to stop whoever's doing that.
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Kristi Noem, US Secretary of Homeland Security, and Gregory Bovino long time "senior official" in the US Border Patrol, who seems to have no further formal title despite being a high profile spokesman have both said that "politicians and media" have confused, us, the public about what ICE is really doing.
When they aren't calling protestors "paid agitators" they insist that we have been mislead by "democrats" to think that ICE is out of control.
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I really wish that were the case as it would imply leadership from some of the more powerful Democrats that has been far too absent.
Of course it has worked in exactly the opposite way. People see what ICE is doing and we have pressured and twisted the arms of Democrats until they have started to take it seriously.
But I find it interesting that this is their line of defense. "The protestors are confused, and this gets them killed"
As if ICE were the weather. 2/
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I really wish that were the case as it would imply leadership from some of the more powerful Democrats that has been far too absent.
Of course it has worked in exactly the opposite way. People see what ICE is doing and we have pressured and twisted the arms of Democrats until they have started to take it seriously.
But I find it interesting that this is their line of defense. "The protestors are confused, and this gets them killed"
As if ICE were the weather. 2/
The public backlash is so vast no one is buys "it's paid agitators" anymore.
Noem and Bovino are desperate that the people who have supported and trusted them and Trump do not look more closely at what ICE is really doing.
At the same time they continue to kill, to scare us into stopping.
I'm hopeful that this will fail.
This is a big crack. This "they are well meaning people who have been fooled" line. 3/3
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I really wish that were the case as it would imply leadership from some of the more powerful Democrats that has been far too absent.
Of course it has worked in exactly the opposite way. People see what ICE is doing and we have pressured and twisted the arms of Democrats until they have started to take it seriously.
But I find it interesting that this is their line of defense. "The protestors are confused, and this gets them killed"
As if ICE were the weather. 2/
@futurebird i feel like people should treat them like a pod people invasion. I have been waiting patiently for years for the mainstream to stop having the monocles shocked off their faces every time the police or a republican lie, and start just expecting it and moving on to the next step
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I really wish that were the case as it would imply leadership from some of the more powerful Democrats that has been far too absent.
Of course it has worked in exactly the opposite way. People see what ICE is doing and we have pressured and twisted the arms of Democrats until they have started to take it seriously.
But I find it interesting that this is their line of defense. "The protestors are confused, and this gets them killed"
As if ICE were the weather. 2/
@futurebird@sauropods.win > As if ICE were the weather I think that's part of the point. They want to position this as inevitable, the same way technocrats have been saying cryptocurrency, NFTs, the metaverse, and AI everywhere is inevitable. It's PR, and it's moral handwashing. If you can convince opponents it's inevitable, they'll crumble. If you can convince yourself, then the deaths and other harms aren't your fault. -
I really wish that were the case as it would imply leadership from some of the more powerful Democrats that has been far too absent.
Of course it has worked in exactly the opposite way. People see what ICE is doing and we have pressured and twisted the arms of Democrats until they have started to take it seriously.
But I find it interesting that this is their line of defense. "The protestors are confused, and this gets them killed"
As if ICE were the weather. 2/
@futurebird I am sure that much of that is reflecting back the accusations made of Trump and his supporters on January 6th. This tends to be the MAGA/Trump/bully pattern: accuse your opponents of doing what you were doing, even if the facts are completely different.
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@futurebird@sauropods.win > As if ICE were the weather I think that's part of the point. They want to position this as inevitable, the same way technocrats have been saying cryptocurrency, NFTs, the metaverse, and AI everywhere is inevitable. It's PR, and it's moral handwashing. If you can convince opponents it's inevitable, they'll crumble. If you can convince yourself, then the deaths and other harms aren't your fault.
The thing I spent (wasted?) the most time on Twitter was continually replying "Stop treating Republicans like the weather".
Major media did it all the time, and noticing that was what started me down the road to just not even bothering with NYTimes, WaPo, etc., etc., etc..
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The thing I spent (wasted?) the most time on Twitter was continually replying "Stop treating Republicans like the weather".
Major media did it all the time, and noticing that was what started me down the road to just not even bothering with NYTimes, WaPo, etc., etc., etc..
@jztusk@mastodon.social @futurebird@sauropods.win And it's not just Republicans. It's anywhere victim-blaming happens. SA? Inevitable, why did she dress like that? Cop violence? Regrettable, but he should have complied School shootings? Hopes and prayers, but the unfortunate cost of freedom -
The public backlash is so vast no one is buys "it's paid agitators" anymore.
Noem and Bovino are desperate that the people who have supported and trusted them and Trump do not look more closely at what ICE is really doing.
At the same time they continue to kill, to scare us into stopping.
I'm hopeful that this will fail.
This is a big crack. This "they are well meaning people who have been fooled" line. 3/3
The are losing, the quislings are more scared of the people than of the fash, and the people of the US didn't just hide in their houses and draw the curtains when they started to shoot people.
Thing about speedrunning the rise of Naziism is you've gotta make sure you're in post-monarchy Germany in 1930, not the longest-running self-regarded democracy in the world during a time when everyone has a camera and a TV station in their pocket.
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The thing I spent (wasted?) the most time on Twitter was continually replying "Stop treating Republicans like the weather".
Major media did it all the time, and noticing that was what started me down the road to just not even bothering with NYTimes, WaPo, etc., etc., etc..
If you try to help the wrong person. If you are in the wrong place. If you have the wrong opinions?
You might get shot shot dead. Ms. Noem thinks that's all on you.
This we are told is the price of... of freedom?
That can't be right, can it?
Maybe it is the price of ... safety? Safety from what?
ICE is the most terrifying thing on the streets of our cities. If you see them beating a woman you better not help. So they say.
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If you try to help the wrong person. If you are in the wrong place. If you have the wrong opinions?
You might get shot shot dead. Ms. Noem thinks that's all on you.
This we are told is the price of... of freedom?
That can't be right, can it?
Maybe it is the price of ... safety? Safety from what?
ICE is the most terrifying thing on the streets of our cities. If you see them beating a woman you better not help. So they say.
This is a lesson. We are supposed to learn to walk by and not take a video or ask a question when we see a bunch of guys pile out of a van and grab someone.
If only these horrible agitators and politicians and media would stop confusing the public. We might realize that although it might "look bad" that they have snatched a crying child, in reality it's all for our own good.
How simple do they think we are?
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The are losing, the quislings are more scared of the people than of the fash, and the people of the US didn't just hide in their houses and draw the curtains when they started to shoot people.
Thing about speedrunning the rise of Naziism is you've gotta make sure you're in post-monarchy Germany in 1930, not the longest-running self-regarded democracy in the world during a time when everyone has a camera and a TV station in their pocket.
Now we gotta make sure when we finally run them out of town that the Democrats don't sit on their hands and coo "what's past is past; let's look to the future!"
Probably a harder fight than crushing the fash, tbh.
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This is a lesson. We are supposed to learn to walk by and not take a video or ask a question when we see a bunch of guys pile out of a van and grab someone.
If only these horrible agitators and politicians and media would stop confusing the public. We might realize that although it might "look bad" that they have snatched a crying child, in reality it's all for our own good.
How simple do they think we are?
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Now we gotta make sure when we finally run them out of town that the Democrats don't sit on their hands and coo "what's past is past; let's look to the future!"
Probably a harder fight than crushing the fash, tbh.
"Probably a harder fight than crushing the fash, tbh."
We know this and go in ready for the BS this time.
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This is a lesson. We are supposed to learn to walk by and not take a video or ask a question when we see a bunch of guys pile out of a van and grab someone.
If only these horrible agitators and politicians and media would stop confusing the public. We might realize that although it might "look bad" that they have snatched a crying child, in reality it's all for our own good.
How simple do they think we are?
@futurebird@sauropods.win @jztusk@mastodon.social Sometimes I think it's all team sports to them--we've got "us" who can do anything and "them" that we can do it to, so why are people complaining? From that perspective, their big problem is that their usual techniques--of reinforcing "them" as a posthumous label on a victim--aren't working. People aren't buying that Good and Pretti are "them", and that's getting people to reconsider whether everybody else who has been killed or disappeared are "them", either. This is just armchair analysis, though. I have no idea what's actually parading through their minds, aside from a conviction that they should be allowed to do this. -
"Probably a harder fight than crushing the fash, tbh."
We know this and go in ready for the BS this time.
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I glad we agree. I'm just flummoxed by *how* we can strongarm a party that has their half of our electoral system stitched up tight. Angry calls to extremist neoliberals and centrists can only do so much, if the imminent threat of being deposed is not on the table. And Dems have shown they *love* to arrest protesters.
I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm honestly without ideas on how to resolve this situation within the auspices of our system as it stands.
