Those are SO not in the order I remember back when I used to pay. It was: STR\ INT\ WIS\ DEX\ CON\ CHA. As an added bonus, I remember the coin on the character sheets as being: Gold\ Silver\ Copper\ Platinum\ Electrum Probably helps to know I played in the late 70’s when campaigns like Keep on the Borderlands was a new thing and came in a box.

I think fallout's S.P.E.C.I.A.L works quite well. Wisdom isn't a thing by itself, it's split between perception, charisma, and intelligence, for the most part.

Wasn't it copper-silver-electrum-gold-platinum? That would be the order of value as I remember it but I haven't looked at the boxed stuff in years.

I have never seen Intelligence contrasted with Wisdom in a way that felt fitting. Does an intelligent person not know when not to speak?

CHA is knowing what to say to get what you want. A paladin uses CHA because they have to know exactly what to say to their deity to get the result they need. If they can't rizz up their gods, they get no power.

i like how according to this everyone just has a big stick stowed away somehere

Hah! Good one!

Paladin doesn't use CHA with their god, they use it to lure the common people TO their god. So they gets more powah.

I have never seen Intelligence contrasted with Wisdom in a way that felt fitting. Does an intelligent person not know when not to speak?

Paladin doesn't use CHA with their god, they use it to lure the common people TO their god. So they gets more powah.

The words in the pictures have some diabolical keming

My prime example would be Donald Trump. Hideously looking and true evil while dumping strength, dexterity, constitution (unfortunately not enough), intelligence and wisdom, but he undeniably has at least an 18 in charisma.

wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad charisma is selling salsa

I have never seen Intelligence contrasted with Wisdom in a way that felt fitting. Does an intelligent person not know when not to speak?

One of the things I liked about the Chronicles of Darkness system is it cleared this up nicely. Stats were in a 3x3 grid. One axis was physical, mental, social The other was Power, Finesse, Resistance. Want to shove something? Physical + Power. That's strength. Want to figure out a riddle? Mental + Finesse. That's Dexterity. Command attention? Social + Power. That's the Presence stat. Lie and misdirect? Social + Finesse. Stat was called Manipulation. Now you can have a character that's commanding without also being a natural liar and flirt. DND doesn't help let you do that because the concepts are bundled together into a single stat. (You could invest separately into like Expression for making speeches and Deception for lying, of course) Humans are rated 1 to 5, where a 5 is the peak of human capability. Presence 5 is like AAA movie stars and great leaders. Of course, if you add supernaturals to your game a starting chump vampire could have **seven** presence if they take Majesty as their power, and become a nearly irresistible magnet of attention.

i like how according to this everyone just has a big stick stowed away somehere

> Want to figure out a riddle? Mental + Finesse. That’s Dexterity. Wait, wouldn't it make sense to figure out a riddle with Intelligence? And for Dexterity to be Physical + Finesse?

Riddles are often lateral thinking or other cleverness, so they seem more finesse than power. But yes, I wrote "dexterity" when I meant "Wits".