Apartment Design Chronicles (Continued)
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@futurebird @jt_rebelo I know. I have it too and proven right during fire season when pg&e shut off the grid for a few days. California is pushing us out of gas burners without a solution. Btw we have solar but we can't use it if the grid is down. We can only sell back to the grid so when they shut down we can't even use the electric we produce. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so I'm not giving up on the burner but electric is definitely better for the air quality in the house so this kind of makes sense.
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Found this NG/LPG one.
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My soul tells me there is no way that can be used for real cooking.
Do I have gas burner derangement syndrome?
@futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo I used a plug in induction hot plate (1800 watts) as our primary stove every day for a year. it was great and I didn’t miss the gas stove other than sometimes I wanted more than one burner.
my favourite thing about it was you could set a timer the way you can with a toaster oven, like “boil this water for 10 minutes and then turn off”
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@futurebird @jt_rebelo
Found this NG/LPG one.
https://a.co/d/dv2nhxp@alper @futurebird around here (Portugal, sunny southwestern Europe) we have the same problem, solar has been installed everywhere, but without inverters and home batteries solar panels can only feed the grid (if the grid is on, something many found out during April's blackout). I have used hot plates with my solar batteries (around 3 kWh total, enough for 3 people for about 24h in an emergency, with 440W of solar panels to charge them, or multiple days with only one person - like I do around the LeMans 24H race every year. The batteries take around 8h to charge from 0 to 100% from the panels, if there is AC power, even for a short period of time, they can charge at 1300 to 1800W at the same time, so a boost is able to shorten recharge times).
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@futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo I used a plug in induction hot plate (1800 watts) as our primary stove every day for a year. it was great and I didn’t miss the gas stove other than sometimes I wanted more than one burner.
my favourite thing about it was you could set a timer the way you can with a toaster oven, like “boil this water for 10 minutes and then turn off”
@futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo (it did also have the very annoying buttons that didn’t work if they got wet, like someone else mentioned, it was this one https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01FLR0ET8/)
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@futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo (it did also have the very annoying buttons that didn’t work if they got wet, like someone else mentioned, it was this one https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01FLR0ET8/)
@b0rk @futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo Yes, this. My next induction hob will have physical knobs. I have a Neff one with the magnetic dial thing but even then it's a little too magic.
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@b0rk @futurebird @alper @jt_rebelo Yes, this. My next induction hob will have physical knobs. I have a Neff one with the magnetic dial thing but even then it's a little too magic.
Does a stove really need a microprocessor? I love them but. Is it really something that is needed for the stove?
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So I'm thinking about how much I love my small fridge and start to eye the stove.
I do not need four burners. Two is enough. I do not need the oven. Period. I don't use it. I have a very nice, large toaster oven. It's more precise, uses less energy. (and you don't need to bend over)
So, why can't I just have a two burner range with half the width and GAIN counter-space and more storage again?
I've searched far and wide. I would need to buy a "nautical stove" made for a boat!
@futurebird but there are plenty of two-burner stoves sold? Both free standing, and integrated?
Update: huh, it's interesting, while German Ikea has three models of two-burner integrable induction stoves (https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/lagan-induktionskochfeld-plug-in-2-zonen-schwarz-70506096/ and https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/tillreda-induktionskochfeld-tragbar-2-zonen-weiss-70593121/ and https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/vaelbildad-induktionskochfeld-ikea-300-schwarz-20467592/) plus three models of single-burner, Ikea in USA has zero two-burner and two single-burner.
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I feel like Jack (of the beanstalk) and shopping is like going to a mall in the land of the giants.
My big take always from the excellent comments on this thread are:
* Do not get a stove with touch controls. DO NOT.
* Maybe give induction cooking a try? I guess I could try it and see if we could just get rid of the whole stove?We have a "landlord special" stove and it's huge and very ugly. Since I don't need to worry about "resale" or moving why should we keep it?
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@futurebird but there are plenty of two-burner stoves sold? Both free standing, and integrated?
Update: huh, it's interesting, while German Ikea has three models of two-burner integrable induction stoves (https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/lagan-induktionskochfeld-plug-in-2-zonen-schwarz-70506096/ and https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/tillreda-induktionskochfeld-tragbar-2-zonen-weiss-70593121/ and https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/vaelbildad-induktionskochfeld-ikea-300-schwarz-20467592/) plus three models of single-burner, Ikea in USA has zero two-burner and two single-burner.
I have been trying I promise. I feel like I'm swimming upstream.
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Apartment Design Chronicles (Continued)
I'm working on improving our apartment. We've lived here for 18 years and are not going anywhere probably for 18 more. So, thinking deeply about making it a better space is worth it.
On the subject of kitchens I have a burning question: Why are stoves so big? Honestly, why is everything so big? The oven, the stove the fridge. They are all massive. But with the fridge there are small options and because of it I use less energy and have more storage.
@futurebird Hunh, I was just clicking around and came across this all-in-one thing. https://a.co/d/ie7z47V
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My big take always from the excellent comments on this thread are:
* Do not get a stove with touch controls. DO NOT.
* Maybe give induction cooking a try? I guess I could try it and see if we could just get rid of the whole stove?We have a "landlord special" stove and it's huge and very ugly. Since I don't need to worry about "resale" or moving why should we keep it?
@futurebird what happens to the "landlord special" stove when you replace it?
Do you need to convince the landlord to come get it and move it out of your place?
(I assume you can't just resell it or throw it away as if you own it?)
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I have been trying I promise. I feel like I'm swimming upstream.
@futurebird okay I don't know what are the common appliances brands or places to shop at are in US, but I also tried entering "induction two" into walmart search bar and got plenty of results too, even e.g. this one (with knobs!): https://www.walmart.com/ip/KFFKFF-Induction-Stove-1800W-Electric-Tabletop-Heater-Dual-Knob-Controlled-Burner-Integrated-Induction-Stove-12-Heat-Levels-Glass-Top-Automatic-Power/14836714105?classType=REGULAR&from=/search
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My big take always from the excellent comments on this thread are:
* Do not get a stove with touch controls. DO NOT.
* Maybe give induction cooking a try? I guess I could try it and see if we could just get rid of the whole stove?We have a "landlord special" stove and it's huge and very ugly. Since I don't need to worry about "resale" or moving why should we keep it?
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Apartment Design Chronicles (Continued)
I'm working on improving our apartment. We've lived here for 18 years and are not going anywhere probably for 18 more. So, thinking deeply about making it a better space is worth it.
On the subject of kitchens I have a burning question: Why are stoves so big? Honestly, why is everything so big? The oven, the stove the fridge. They are all massive. But with the fridge there are small options and because of it I use less energy and have more storage.
@futurebird
If replacing the oven would be an issue and if it doesn't have a pilot light, the oven space could be used to store pots and pans.Two or all four of the burners could be covered with a metal cover for extra counter space.
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Apartment Design Chronicles (Continued)
I'm working on improving our apartment. We've lived here for 18 years and are not going anywhere probably for 18 more. So, thinking deeply about making it a better space is worth it.
On the subject of kitchens I have a burning question: Why are stoves so big? Honestly, why is everything so big? The oven, the stove the fridge. They are all massive. But with the fridge there are small options and because of it I use less energy and have more storage.
@futurebird
We live in a small house in the country and are currently remodelling.
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@futurebird
We live in a small house in the country and are currently remodelling.
We will be choosing _at least_ 2 appliances designed for boats or motor homes.Thank you for making me feel a little less freaky. Part of me thinks "it's not that complex, ordinary solutions should be fine" but
I don't think that's really true if I'm honest.
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@futurebird
If replacing the oven would be an issue and if it doesn't have a pilot light, the oven space could be used to store pots and pans.Two or all four of the burners could be covered with a metal cover for extra counter space.
I have a toaster oven that does EVERYTHING I'd want an oven to do. I have not used the thing for two years.
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Thank you for making me feel a little less freaky. Part of me thinks "it's not that complex, ordinary solutions should be fine" but
I don't think that's really true if I'm honest.
@futurebird
It's just silly - the standard appliances take up room I could use for something else, use more power than I need, and (for example oven) heat up slower because to big.
I've nothing against big when wanted - we'll go a huge fridge because we're in the subtropics, but I'd rather pay a little extra for something that fits my space and doesn't needlessly guzzle power to cook for just 1-2 people. -
@futurebird
It's just silly - the standard appliances take up room I could use for something else, use more power than I need, and (for example oven) heat up slower because to big.
I've nothing against big when wanted - we'll go a huge fridge because we're in the subtropics, but I'd rather pay a little extra for something that fits my space and doesn't needlessly guzzle power to cook for just 1-2 people.Big fridge makes sense if going to buy food is a journey, or if you need to buy in bulk. But in NYC? Why would I store frozen meals in my house when I can store them downstairs at the grocery store and go get one if I'm hungry?
And never need to thrown them out if I forgot about them.
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Big fridge makes sense if going to buy food is a journey, or if you need to buy in bulk. But in NYC? Why would I store frozen meals in my house when I can store them downstairs at the grocery store and go get one if I'm hungry?
And never need to thrown them out if I forgot about them.
@futurebird I was listening to a couple episodes of The Checkout ( https://www.thecheckoutradio.com/ )and I wonder if it relates to the fact that grocery stores increased profits by increasing their stock of processed foods (frozen foods being a large part of that).
The monopolies in the food industry seem to guide a whole cascade of other social changes as we've conformed to how the industry wants to serve us food.
