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30 months of great news on falling crime https://www.slowboring.com/p/30-months-of-great-news-on-falling

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  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

    @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

    Either that or they will claim their barbaric escalation of our already chaotic and capricious immigration system has made things better when it hasn't.

    If anything, I expect the disruptions and fear to make things worse for people who live (as I do) in areas with a lot of immigrants.

    The people in the Bronx already viewed the police as useless and not worth calling and this has only made it worse.

    And frankly I feel safer when they aren't around. Much safer.

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    @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

    Show me two dark streets to walk down, one with a cop and one with no cop and I know which one I'd pick.

    In theory the NYPD ought to make people feel safer but that just isn't the case for more and more people.

    That said police have very little to do with the factors that make a neighborhood safe or not. So maybe it's all for the best that more people are starting to recognize this.

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    • TomT Tom

      @futurebird @RealJournalism

      In various videos it was unsettling to see western residents in Shezen, China discussing the almost complete absence of street crime (apparently a big change from previous decades) and drop being correlated with the installation of ubiquitous AI-driven camera surveillance.

      Assuming their perception is correct would I prefer that? Not sure...

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      @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

      There is at least some hope for a balence of power if ordinary people can make their own videos and do their own surveillance-- and we aren't talking enough about data privacy laws or how those should be enforced.

      Not at all.

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      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

        @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

        There is at least some hope for a balence of power if ordinary people can make their own videos and do their own surveillance-- and we aren't talking enough about data privacy laws or how those should be enforced.

        Not at all.

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        @futurebird @RealJournalism

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        • TomT Tom

          @futurebird @RealJournalism

          In various videos it was unsettling to see western residents in Shezen, China discussing the almost complete absence of street crime (apparently a big change from previous decades) and drop being correlated with the installation of ubiquitous AI-driven camera surveillance.

          Assuming their perception is correct would I prefer that? Not sure...

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          @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

          "phone snatching" used to be a big problem on NYC subways. But then phones started having GPS tracking and stealing them just isn't worth it anymore.

          I think everyone likes this but is it worth it? Did we discuss what we've given up?

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          • TomT Tom

            @futurebird @RealJournalism

            In various videos it was unsettling to see western residents in Shezen, China discussing the almost complete absence of street crime (apparently a big change from previous decades) and drop being correlated with the installation of ubiquitous AI-driven camera surveillance.

            Assuming their perception is correct would I prefer that? Not sure...

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            @Tallish_Tom @futurebird @RealJournalism

            We can't let the ends justify the means. Constant monitoring and tracking of individuals leads to more harm than good.
            For example if you participate in an anti-government protest, this tracking makes it easy for them just to come and arrest you at your home.

            Can the same results be achieved in other ways? Perhaps more police? Or better social programs to reduce #crime? That's what needs to be asked, because this #AI path leads to a very dark place.

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            • Ehay2kE Ehay2k

              @Tallish_Tom @futurebird @RealJournalism

              We can't let the ends justify the means. Constant monitoring and tracking of individuals leads to more harm than good.
              For example if you participate in an anti-government protest, this tracking makes it easy for them just to come and arrest you at your home.

              Can the same results be achieved in other ways? Perhaps more police? Or better social programs to reduce #crime? That's what needs to be asked, because this #AI path leads to a very dark place.

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              @Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

              "Perhaps more police?"

              No thank you. Absolutely not.

              I will take more firemen and fire stations. More sanitation workers. And... why not a youth center with some activities and more parks people?

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              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                @Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

                "Perhaps more police?"

                No thank you. Absolutely not.

                I will take more firemen and fire stations. More sanitation workers. And... why not a youth center with some activities and more parks people?

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                @futurebird @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
                I understand why people don't want more police. But again, the ends don't justify the means. Reducing the number of police because you dislike the way policing happens, doesn't necessarily make anybody safer.

                Changing the way policing occur- teaching de-escalation, demilitarizing the police, & legislating better gun control so the police aren't always in fear of getting shot and acting accordingly, those are things that really need to be done. My 2ยข

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                • Ehay2kE Ehay2k

                  @futurebird @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
                  I understand why people don't want more police. But again, the ends don't justify the means. Reducing the number of police because you dislike the way policing happens, doesn't necessarily make anybody safer.

                  Changing the way policing occur- teaching de-escalation, demilitarizing the police, & legislating better gun control so the police aren't always in fear of getting shot and acting accordingly, those are things that really need to be done. My 2ยข

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                  @Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

                  "I understand why people don't want more police. But again, the ends don't justify the means. Reducing the number of police because you dislike the way policing happens, doesn't necessarily make anybody safer. "

                  In the case of NYPD in this area it will absolutely make us safer. Normally I support expanding or at least maintaining support for most government services. What I have seen has been so bad and counter-productive this is the exception.

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                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                    @Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

                    "I understand why people don't want more police. But again, the ends don't justify the means. Reducing the number of police because you dislike the way policing happens, doesn't necessarily make anybody safer. "

                    In the case of NYPD in this area it will absolutely make us safer. Normally I support expanding or at least maintaining support for most government services. What I have seen has been so bad and counter-productive this is the exception.

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                    @Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

                    Please imagine a fire department that set fires then blamed them on random people. Or a sanitation department that did nothing but litter.

                    We have thrown money at the idea of "improving training" for a decade. The police union talks openly about how they think it's a joke and will do their best to ignore it.

                    "first do no harm" or something.

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                    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                      @Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

                      Please imagine a fire department that set fires then blamed them on random people. Or a sanitation department that did nothing but litter.

                      We have thrown money at the idea of "improving training" for a decade. The police union talks openly about how they think it's a joke and will do their best to ignore it.

                      "first do no harm" or something.

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                      @Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism

                      The only person I'd trust to "fix the NYPD" would be one of the dozens of former officers who have been expelled and blackballed from whistleblowing over the years.

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