30 months of great news on falling crime https://www.slowboring.com/p/30-months-of-great-news-on-falling
-
30 months of great news on falling crime https://www.slowboring.com/p/30-months-of-great-news-on-falling
-
F myrmepropagandist shared this topic
-
30 months of great news on falling crime https://www.slowboring.com/p/30-months-of-great-news-on-falling
This is excellent news and worth talking about. However, I think we ought to pay more attention to the crime *clearance* rate. In other words: when you have these rare instances of violence and even property crime how often is the case solved?
Finding the people responsible for violence is important and if the public wants to be worried about "crime" this is an area that deserves more attention IMO.
-
30 months of great news on falling crime https://www.slowboring.com/p/30-months-of-great-news-on-falling
Sadly I expect the current US administration to suppress the publication of official crime statistics. People's perception of crime and risk is normally significantly higher than the actuality and this comes out in the stats. Probably through the simple expedient of shutting down the relevent departments.
For any authoritarian regime having your population fearful and demanding more police is a win, so ... suppress the stats.
-
30 months of great news on falling crime https://www.slowboring.com/p/30-months-of-great-news-on-falling
Unrelated to clearance rates I think technology has played a big role in reducing the rates of violent crime and thefts.
Even crime like credit card fraud is down, though one of the areas where it still occurs is for "uber" of all things. This is because most POS payment systems have cameras and it's very hard to use a stolen credit card without getting caught. But, taking a taxi ride is easier to get away with.
-
Sadly I expect the current US administration to suppress the publication of official crime statistics. People's perception of crime and risk is normally significantly higher than the actuality and this comes out in the stats. Probably through the simple expedient of shutting down the relevent departments.
For any authoritarian regime having your population fearful and demanding more police is a win, so ... suppress the stats.
Either that or they will claim their barbaric escalation of our already chaotic and capricious immigration system has made things better when it hasn't.
If anything, I expect the disruptions and fear to make things worse for people who live (as I do) in areas with a lot of immigrants.
The people in the Bronx already viewed the police as useless and not worth calling and this has only made it worse.
And frankly I feel safer when they aren't around. Much safer.
-
Unrelated to clearance rates I think technology has played a big role in reducing the rates of violent crime and thefts.
Even crime like credit card fraud is down, though one of the areas where it still occurs is for "uber" of all things. This is because most POS payment systems have cameras and it's very hard to use a stolen credit card without getting caught. But, taking a taxi ride is easier to get away with.
In various videos it was unsettling to see western residents in Shezen, China discussing the almost complete absence of street crime (apparently a big change from previous decades) and drop being correlated with the installation of ubiquitous AI-driven camera surveillance.
Assuming their perception is correct would I prefer that? Not sure...
-
Either that or they will claim their barbaric escalation of our already chaotic and capricious immigration system has made things better when it hasn't.
If anything, I expect the disruptions and fear to make things worse for people who live (as I do) in areas with a lot of immigrants.
The people in the Bronx already viewed the police as useless and not worth calling and this has only made it worse.
And frankly I feel safer when they aren't around. Much safer.
Show me two dark streets to walk down, one with a cop and one with no cop and I know which one I'd pick.
In theory the NYPD ought to make people feel safer but that just isn't the case for more and more people.
That said police have very little to do with the factors that make a neighborhood safe or not. So maybe it's all for the best that more people are starting to recognize this.
-
In various videos it was unsettling to see western residents in Shezen, China discussing the almost complete absence of street crime (apparently a big change from previous decades) and drop being correlated with the installation of ubiquitous AI-driven camera surveillance.
Assuming their perception is correct would I prefer that? Not sure...
There is at least some hope for a balence of power if ordinary people can make their own videos and do their own surveillance-- and we aren't talking enough about data privacy laws or how those should be enforced.
Not at all.
-
There is at least some hope for a balence of power if ordinary people can make their own videos and do their own surveillance-- and we aren't talking enough about data privacy laws or how those should be enforced.
Not at all.
-
In various videos it was unsettling to see western residents in Shezen, China discussing the almost complete absence of street crime (apparently a big change from previous decades) and drop being correlated with the installation of ubiquitous AI-driven camera surveillance.
Assuming their perception is correct would I prefer that? Not sure...
"phone snatching" used to be a big problem on NYC subways. But then phones started having GPS tracking and stealing them just isn't worth it anymore.
I think everyone likes this but is it worth it? Did we discuss what we've given up?
-
In various videos it was unsettling to see western residents in Shezen, China discussing the almost complete absence of street crime (apparently a big change from previous decades) and drop being correlated with the installation of ubiquitous AI-driven camera surveillance.
Assuming their perception is correct would I prefer that? Not sure...
@Tallish_Tom @futurebird @RealJournalism
We can't let the ends justify the means. Constant monitoring and tracking of individuals leads to more harm than good.
For example if you participate in an anti-government protest, this tracking makes it easy for them just to come and arrest you at your home.Can the same results be achieved in other ways? Perhaps more police? Or better social programs to reduce #crime? That's what needs to be asked, because this #AI path leads to a very dark place.
-
@Tallish_Tom @futurebird @RealJournalism
We can't let the ends justify the means. Constant monitoring and tracking of individuals leads to more harm than good.
For example if you participate in an anti-government protest, this tracking makes it easy for them just to come and arrest you at your home.Can the same results be achieved in other ways? Perhaps more police? Or better social programs to reduce #crime? That's what needs to be asked, because this #AI path leads to a very dark place.
@Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
"Perhaps more police?"
No thank you. Absolutely not.
I will take more firemen and fire stations. More sanitation workers. And... why not a youth center with some activities and more parks people?
-
@Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
"Perhaps more police?"
No thank you. Absolutely not.
I will take more firemen and fire stations. More sanitation workers. And... why not a youth center with some activities and more parks people?
@futurebird @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
I understand why people don't want more police. But again, the ends don't justify the means. Reducing the number of police because you dislike the way policing happens, doesn't necessarily make anybody safer.Changing the way policing occur- teaching de-escalation, demilitarizing the police, & legislating better gun control so the police aren't always in fear of getting shot and acting accordingly, those are things that really need to be done. My 2¢
-
@futurebird @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
I understand why people don't want more police. But again, the ends don't justify the means. Reducing the number of police because you dislike the way policing happens, doesn't necessarily make anybody safer.Changing the way policing occur- teaching de-escalation, demilitarizing the police, & legislating better gun control so the police aren't always in fear of getting shot and acting accordingly, those are things that really need to be done. My 2¢
@Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
"I understand why people don't want more police. But again, the ends don't justify the means. Reducing the number of police because you dislike the way policing happens, doesn't necessarily make anybody safer. "
In the case of NYPD in this area it will absolutely make us safer. Normally I support expanding or at least maintaining support for most government services. What I have seen has been so bad and counter-productive this is the exception.
-
@Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
"I understand why people don't want more police. But again, the ends don't justify the means. Reducing the number of police because you dislike the way policing happens, doesn't necessarily make anybody safer. "
In the case of NYPD in this area it will absolutely make us safer. Normally I support expanding or at least maintaining support for most government services. What I have seen has been so bad and counter-productive this is the exception.
@Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
Please imagine a fire department that set fires then blamed them on random people. Or a sanitation department that did nothing but litter.
We have thrown money at the idea of "improving training" for a decade. The police union talks openly about how they think it's a joke and will do their best to ignore it.
"first do no harm" or something.
-
@Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
Please imagine a fire department that set fires then blamed them on random people. Or a sanitation department that did nothing but litter.
We have thrown money at the idea of "improving training" for a decade. The police union talks openly about how they think it's a joke and will do their best to ignore it.
"first do no harm" or something.
@Ehay2k @Tallish_Tom @RealJournalism
The only person I'd trust to "fix the NYPD" would be one of the dozens of former officers who have been expelled and blackballed from whistleblowing over the years.
