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Hideo Kojima Made Significant Changes To Death Stranding 2 Because Playtesters Thought It Was 'Too Good'

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    Hate to break it to you, Kojima: your career is where it is at because your games are explicitly mainstream. Wow I knew he had his head up his own ass but I didn't realize how far up there it was really lodged.
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      > "Then he said, 'I’m going to be very honest, we have been testing the game with players and the results are too good. They like it too much. That means something is wrong; we have to change something.' And he changed stuff in the script and the way some crucial stuff [happens] in the game because he thought his work was not polarizing and not triggering enough emotions." Is he saying people thought the *script* was too good? Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first game... but never in a million years would I say that the script was good. Apparently Kojima is so allergic to good writing that he uses positive feedback as an excuse to self-sabotage.
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          Everyone here talking trash about Kojima in here are the same people talking shit about how all media is dull and lifeless now.
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            He's not wrong, but i think appealing to yourself or at least a small niche just and foremost is the better goal to chase.
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              Everyone here talking trash about Kojima in here are the same people talking shit about how all media is dull and lifeless now.
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              >are the same people talking shit about how all media is dull and lifeless now. You can literally go look at my post history and see that this is not true.
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              • Snot FlickermanS Snot Flickerman
                Hate to break it to you, Kojima: your career is where it is at because your games are explicitly mainstream. Wow I knew he had his head up his own ass but I didn't realize how far up there it was really lodged.
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                Snake got into Smash before Sonic. That's pretty damn mainstream
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                • CoelacanthC Coelacanth
                  On a certain level I understand what he means, but there is something very funny about how fittingly pretentious this sounds for Kojima. Imagine making a good game that people love? The *horror!*
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                  It makes sense when you realize he intentionally tried to tank the MGS series and failed upward. I'm not kidding he made MGS 2, 3, and 4 hoping they would be franchise killers and was actively upset people loved them.
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                  • misk@sopuli.xyzM misk@sopuli.xyz
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                    Easy enough. Instead of using zealot fan boys as your play testers get some actual writers to look things over. "Hey, David Hayter, you've written some for some movies, what do you think of Kojima's latest script?" "He said it was shit..." And in Solid snake's voice too. Ouch.
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                      > "Then he said, 'I’m going to be very honest, we have been testing the game with players and the results are too good. They like it too much. That means something is wrong; we have to change something.' And he changed stuff in the script and the way some crucial stuff [happens] in the game because he thought his work was not polarizing and not triggering enough emotions." Is he saying people thought the *script* was too good? Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first game... but never in a million years would I say that the script was good. Apparently Kojima is so allergic to good writing that he uses positive feedback as an excuse to self-sabotage.
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                      I think he had a precise idea of the feelings he wanted to convey, and those were drowned out by the overall quality of the game, so he felt like people didn't get the message ? Idk just throwing out a hypothesis
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                        >are the same people talking shit about how all media is dull and lifeless now. You can literally go look at my post history and see that this is not true.
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                        Go ahead I'm not challenging you I'm just looking for recommendations lol
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                          Go ahead I'm not challenging you I'm just looking for recommendations lol
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                          Music: Flower Face - Girl Prometheus, FIDLAR - Surviving the Dream, Glaive - May It Never Falter, Vampire Weekend - Only God Was Above US, Alfie Jukes - All Dressed Up For Nothing TV: Murderbot, Common Side Effects, Creature Commandos, Dan Da Dan, Fallout, Sunny, The Rehearsal (second season) Games: Blue Prince, To a T, STALKER 2, Balatro, Stolen Realm, Deliver at all Costs, Cleared Hot (only demo is out so far no firm release date just 2025), Ratatan (similarly only demo is out, releases in July)
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                            Delivering packages is too good?
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                              Music: Flower Face - Girl Prometheus, FIDLAR - Surviving the Dream, Glaive - May It Never Falter, Vampire Weekend - Only God Was Above US, Alfie Jukes - All Dressed Up For Nothing TV: Murderbot, Common Side Effects, Creature Commandos, Dan Da Dan, Fallout, Sunny, The Rehearsal (second season) Games: Blue Prince, To a T, STALKER 2, Balatro, Stolen Realm, Deliver at all Costs, Cleared Hot (only demo is out so far no firm release date just 2025), Ratatan (similarly only demo is out, releases in July)
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                              Thank you!!
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                                shit does he have that much freedom and control? shareholders would be pissed if anyone else did this
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                                He probably has a handful of investors who trust him, but overall it's his company and he can do what he wants.
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                                  Did they conduct this test in Japan? I ask since we could be losing something in translation. AFAIK, the Japanese people have a habit of being overly polite and not conveying strong emotion publicly, which might explain Kojima's reaction. If he wanted to provoke a *strong* reaction in people, they'd say very different things.
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                                    Easy enough. Instead of using zealot fan boys as your play testers get some actual writers to look things over. "Hey, David Hayter, you've written some for some movies, what do you think of Kojima's latest script?" "He said it was shit..." And in Solid snake's voice too. Ouch.
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                                    > Snake, this is a _sneaking_ mission. You are not here to assassinate anyone's work.
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                                      Delivering packages is too good?
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                                      so good it's addictive. isn't that supposed to be the premise of the MULEs?
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                                        This is very obviously a language barrier issue at play here that people are ignoring just to take what he said at face value. There’s zero chance that what he meant was the game was _too good_ and that as a result he wanted to _make it worse_. He almost certainly meant something more along the lines of the plot, or something to do with the game mechanics were too streamlined, or otherwise not challenging enough in some way.
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