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A forum for discussing and organizing recreational softball and baseball games and leagues in the greater Halifax area.

To prevent deer from being hit by cars Finland has tried using reflective paint.

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  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

    @lnlyisol

    I'm so disgusted with the state of search these days. It's not just the AI it's the AI slop combined with the mushy "let us tell you what you really meant" search results.

    Obscure band names, artists, concepts are "corrected" to more popular words. "ant" is swapped for "art" if I'm looking for anything cute or amusing ("cute art stickers" NO I want "cute ANT stickers")

    It's like modern search is trying to make everyone hopelessly basic. Only popular things exist.

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    @lnlyisol

    Am I just getting old? One of the things that made me fall in love with the internet is how if you looked for something, no matter how obscure, no matter how unlikely if someone had gone to the trouble of making it you could find it.

    That just isn't true in the same way anymore. It's more likely you will be redirected to a more "normal search query"

    It "works better" for many people most of the time. But, that's at the expense of making everything strange hidden.

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    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

      @lnlyisol

      Am I just getting old? One of the things that made me fall in love with the internet is how if you looked for something, no matter how obscure, no matter how unlikely if someone had gone to the trouble of making it you could find it.

      That just isn't true in the same way anymore. It's more likely you will be redirected to a more "normal search query"

      It "works better" for many people most of the time. But, that's at the expense of making everything strange hidden.

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      @lnlyisol

      What I find hard to imagine is that there must have been people who were annoyed, frustrated that they typed "cute ant stickers" and obviously "ant" was a typo! who would want "ant stickers" gross, right?

      The computer ought to "know" that no one would want to see that and show them what they meant.

      The needs of that person are more important than whatever I'm trying to do.

      But I also wonder if that person really exists. Are people happy this happens?

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      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

        @lnlyisol

        Am I just getting old? One of the things that made me fall in love with the internet is how if you looked for something, no matter how obscure, no matter how unlikely if someone had gone to the trouble of making it you could find it.

        That just isn't true in the same way anymore. It's more likely you will be redirected to a more "normal search query"

        It "works better" for many people most of the time. But, that's at the expense of making everything strange hidden.

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        @futurebird @lnlyisol In the early days, there was a lot to do about "the long tail". How the internet made it worthwhile to cater to niche subjects because you could cast such a wide net.

        I felt this died when companies like Netflix became big. They started focusing on things with mass appeal. They could have broadened their catalog with lots of cheap, niche movies that a few people would like but they never bothered.

        I think it would still make them money. It just doesn't generate prestige.

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        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

          @lnlyisol

          I'm so disgusted with the state of search these days. It's not just the AI it's the AI slop combined with the mushy "let us tell you what you really meant" search results.

          Obscure band names, artists, concepts are "corrected" to more popular words. "ant" is swapped for "art" if I'm looking for anything cute or amusing ("cute art stickers" NO I want "cute ANT stickers")

          It's like modern search is trying to make everyone hopelessly basic. Only popular things exist.

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          @futurebird I have an entire concept for a federated, decentralized search platform. I have a long spec written out and everyone I’ve spoken to about it seems to think it has merit. I just have no idea how to code it behind the front end. I’d be happy to share my rough tech spec if you’d be interested.

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          • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

            To prevent deer from being hit by cars Finland has tried using reflective paint. (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/avoid-deer-strikes-finland-painting-deer-antlers-reflective-paint-180949792/)

            File this under "solutions to modern problems that summon the old gods."

            (It seems the image on the right is a rendering to show how this "would" work. Not a real photo. Updating again to correct image description to reflect, heh, this.)

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            @futurebird I was going to say, I hope the glow in the eyes is just the natural reflectivity of the tapetum lucidium*, rather than from paint, but since it's a shooped photo, ehh ...

            (* I'm nearly certain reindeer have this, since I know from experience mule deer, moose, and wapiti have it, and deer generally and most mammals, etc ).

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              @futurebird

              When I searched for "reflective reindeer", I got pictures of reindeer holding their chin in their hoof, looking pensively upwards.

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              @lnlyisol @futurebird I can't positively vouch for its authenticity, but I've long used this photo of a reflectorized reindeer as the cover image for my "Grotesqueries" gallery album!

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                @lnlyisol @futurebird I can't positively vouch for its authenticity, but I've long used this photo of a reflectorized reindeer as the cover image for my "Grotesqueries" gallery album!

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                @dedicto @futurebird

                From my quick search, it seems that pics with that white light are from the actual experiment, and the image with bright orange reflectivity is an artistic (human) creation

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                • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                  @lnlyisol

                  I'm so disgusted with the state of search these days. It's not just the AI it's the AI slop combined with the mushy "let us tell you what you really meant" search results.

                  Obscure band names, artists, concepts are "corrected" to more popular words. "ant" is swapped for "art" if I'm looking for anything cute or amusing ("cute art stickers" NO I want "cute ANT stickers")

                  It's like modern search is trying to make everyone hopelessly basic. Only popular things exist.

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                  @futurebird @lnlyisol
                  Normal people should never have been given access to computers.

                  When the audience was technical people, they understood there was a sausage being made and could collaborate for the best sausage.

                  Now that the market is "everybody", there's a lot of selling "magic". "We'll fix your mistakes" and "here's a bunch of LLM garbage" both dazzle low-skill users, and steer towards profitable choices. It just comes at the expense of competent users whose queries get clobbered.

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                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                    @lnlyisol

                    What I find hard to imagine is that there must have been people who were annoyed, frustrated that they typed "cute ant stickers" and obviously "ant" was a typo! who would want "ant stickers" gross, right?

                    The computer ought to "know" that no one would want to see that and show them what they meant.

                    The needs of that person are more important than whatever I'm trying to do.

                    But I also wonder if that person really exists. Are people happy this happens?

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                    @futurebird @lnlyisol
                    I think the "corrections" are all geared to "correct" things to "what our best-paying advertisers are trying to sell". They don't care whether or not actual human beings want cute ant stickers, they only care that their machine learning crap tells them their best paying advertisers will make them more money if it's "corrected" to "cute art stickers".

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                    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                      @lnlyisol

                      I'm so disgusted with the state of search these days. It's not just the AI it's the AI slop combined with the mushy "let us tell you what you really meant" search results.

                      Obscure band names, artists, concepts are "corrected" to more popular words. "ant" is swapped for "art" if I'm looking for anything cute or amusing ("cute art stickers" NO I want "cute ANT stickers")

                      It's like modern search is trying to make everyone hopelessly basic. Only popular things exist.

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                      AI is a predictability machine. It is inherently conservative and populist.

                      @futurebird @lnlyisol

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                      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                        @lnlyisol

                        I'm so disgusted with the state of search these days. It's not just the AI it's the AI slop combined with the mushy "let us tell you what you really meant" search results.

                        Obscure band names, artists, concepts are "corrected" to more popular words. "ant" is swapped for "art" if I'm looking for anything cute or amusing ("cute art stickers" NO I want "cute ANT stickers")

                        It's like modern search is trying to make everyone hopelessly basic. Only popular things exist.

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                        @futurebird @lnlyisol agreed with this 100%.

                        Another effect, due to search trying to find you the most commonly accepted information, and publishers trying to meet that demand, the internet these days is a vast, shallow sea of entry level introductory information, repeated thousands of times over, with mid level and higher understandings frustratingly out of reach.

                        Like everything is the first month and a half of an introductory course. Sometimes YouTube can get you another month and a half.

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                        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                          @lnlyisol

                          I'm so disgusted with the state of search these days. It's not just the AI it's the AI slop combined with the mushy "let us tell you what you really meant" search results.

                          Obscure band names, artists, concepts are "corrected" to more popular words. "ant" is swapped for "art" if I'm looking for anything cute or amusing ("cute art stickers" NO I want "cute ANT stickers")

                          It's like modern search is trying to make everyone hopelessly basic. Only popular things exist.

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                          @futurebird @lnlyisol it's the way I feel about automatic spell check and grammar check in everything. No, really, i want the word "i" in lower case. I live in Kwins and go to the Atlantick ocean. It's an intentional joke to say "too" rather than "to". The monoculturalization of language by machines always feels condescending in a very DunkinRuger (yes also a joke) way. The machine is just stupid enough to think it's smarter than you. So irritating.

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                          • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                            @lnlyisol

                            What I find hard to imagine is that there must have been people who were annoyed, frustrated that they typed "cute ant stickers" and obviously "ant" was a typo! who would want "ant stickers" gross, right?

                            The computer ought to "know" that no one would want to see that and show them what they meant.

                            The needs of that person are more important than whatever I'm trying to do.

                            But I also wonder if that person really exists. Are people happy this happens?

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                            @futurebird @lnlyisol this is supposed to be the information age, but we are drowning in the shallow end of the pool. And Capitalists want to serve us up more "mediocrity as a service".

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                            • Hak Foo :verified_blobcat:H Hak Foo :verified_blobcat:

                              @futurebird @lnlyisol
                              Normal people should never have been given access to computers.

                              When the audience was technical people, they understood there was a sausage being made and could collaborate for the best sausage.

                              Now that the market is "everybody", there's a lot of selling "magic". "We'll fix your mistakes" and "here's a bunch of LLM garbage" both dazzle low-skill users, and steer towards profitable choices. It just comes at the expense of competent users whose queries get clobbered.

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                              @hakfoo @futurebird @lnlyisol The issue isn’t that they made it available, the issue is we didn’t formally teach people to use it because it was seen as a rich person’s toy, then a way of gatekeeping (to the wealthy and to the potential future servants of the wealthy) for so long it hit critical mass without education in place and sold out to ad companies.

                              That’s when they started disregarding Boolean and really nerfed it for everyone at once.

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                              • Urban HermitU Urban Hermit

                                @futurebird @lnlyisol this is supposed to be the information age, but we are drowning in the shallow end of the pool. And Capitalists want to serve us up more "mediocrity as a service".

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                                @futurebird @lnlyisol

                                Here's an example. Every single one of us is likely going color blind with age. The yellowing of the material your eye is made of is screening out purple light, its opposite on the color spectrum. So it is getting harder to distinguish shades of purple mixed with red or gray. It is so common that failing at least 1 or 2 tests out of 10 is graded as normal.

                                Now, without me telling you the name, go find it it online and have yourself tested.

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                                • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                  @lnlyisol

                                  Am I just getting old? One of the things that made me fall in love with the internet is how if you looked for something, no matter how obscure, no matter how unlikely if someone had gone to the trouble of making it you could find it.

                                  That just isn't true in the same way anymore. It's more likely you will be redirected to a more "normal search query"

                                  It "works better" for many people most of the time. But, that's at the expense of making everything strange hidden.

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                                  @futurebird @lnlyisol Does anyone else remember StumbleUpon? kinda feels unreal to remember haha

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