If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?
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@futurebird microplastics
@cinebox @futurebird honestly yeah microplastics and other environmental contaminants are probably the better way to do that identification
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@futurebird Individuals who lived between 1945 and about now have greater carbon-14 levels in their bodies (from the atmospheric nuclear detonations from 1945 to 1963) than anyone who lived before.
But unless more nuclear bombs get detonated, new babies born will soon have no more in them than people who died before 1945.
@mattmcirvin @futurebird let us aspire to allow the background radiation to continue to decline, sigh
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Well, at least one would know you'd have exciting times in your future.
60 million years ago is an interesting period in ant evolution. The ancestor of Titanomyrma was probably around and there are so many gaps in the preservation of insects you could see some really amazing things.
Before ending up like a fossil...
@futurebird @davidtheeviloverlord the best part is you can make sure your observations reach the present day, by carving them on a part of your own skeleton that you didn't get around to examining the fossilized version of
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@futurebird though you wouldn't be able to tell when they were from specifically, and there would be plenty of "regular" explanations such as them having had unusual exposure to radiation during their life
@futurebird on another note, we don't remember who wrote it but there was a short story once about time travelers who attempt to rob the library of Alexandria right before it burns down, but get caught by local law enforcement, who correctly deduce they're time travelers because......... they attempt to pass coins that are real gold, but all identical rather than showing individual variation in their manufacture
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@futurebird though you wouldn't be able to tell when they were from specifically, and there would be plenty of "regular" explanations such as them having had unusual exposure to radiation during their life
At the coroner's office, after time travel has been invented:
Detective, writing into small notebook: "So, how long ago did the deceased die?"
Coroner, taking another large swig from a bottle: "Who knows? Maybe yesterday. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe right now."
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At the coroner's office, after time travel has been invented:
Detective, writing into small notebook: "So, how long ago did the deceased die?"
Coroner, taking another large swig from a bottle: "Who knows? Maybe yesterday. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe right now."
@wakame @futurebird yeah lol
the hidden premise of this scenario is that time travel is noteworthy in the setting, ie. not a normal part of society yet 
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@wakame @futurebird yeah lol
the hidden premise of this scenario is that time travel is noteworthy in the setting, ie. not a normal part of society yet 
Time Traveler: "Time travel will been a rather recent invention."
Linguist: "You know what? I will simply go back in time and buy Microsoft shares instead of getting into a profession where I have to listen to eldritch abominations like 'will been'."
Time Traveler: "Microsoft? The burger chain?"
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Time Traveler: "Time travel will been a rather recent invention."
Linguist: "You know what? I will simply go back in time and buy Microsoft shares instead of getting into a profession where I have to listen to eldritch abominations like 'will been'."
Time Traveler: "Microsoft? The burger chain?"
@wakame @futurebird they really should have known that that was always going to have happened
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@wakame @futurebird they really should have known that that was always going to have happened
Retrohistorian: "So what happened is this: A lot of time travelers, and I mean... a lot show up on April 4th, 1975, to buy a share of Microsoft.
And Billy 'Buns' Gates, always the entrepreneur, sells each of them a burger with fries, for $20, reselling food that costs $1.20 at the time.
After that, he basically bought a company named 'McDonalds' and rebranded it.
What do we learn from that? Always compare prices whenever you go." -
Retrohistorian: "So what happened is this: A lot of time travelers, and I mean... a lot show up on April 4th, 1975, to buy a share of Microsoft.
And Billy 'Buns' Gates, always the entrepreneur, sells each of them a burger with fries, for $20, reselling food that costs $1.20 at the time.
After that, he basically bought a company named 'McDonalds' and rebranded it.
What do we learn from that? Always compare prices whenever you go."@wakame @futurebird the most vividly believable time travel "bad end" we've ever seen is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B4vGbwR_jw
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If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?
@futurebird carbon, oxygen, calcium, magnesium, and strontium all have stable isotope ratios which vary over time due to global geochemical cycles, and all are potentially useful in chemostratigraphy, but all are also affected by diet, and by metabolic body temperature. If all you had were isotope ratios, and no other information was available, it would be very difficult to distinguish a time traveler from someone who merely had a very unusual diet.
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@futurebird on another note, we don't remember who wrote it but there was a short story once about time travelers who attempt to rob the library of Alexandria right before it burns down, but get caught by local law enforcement, who correctly deduce they're time travelers because......... they attempt to pass coins that are real gold, but all identical rather than showing individual variation in their manufacture
@ireneista @futurebird love that the local authorities were wise to time travel even back in the day
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@ireneista @futurebird love that the local authorities were wise to time travel even back in the day
@djm62 @futurebird it was a very clever story
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@futurebird though you wouldn't be able to tell when they were from specifically, and there would be plenty of "regular" explanations such as them having had unusual exposure to radiation during their life
@ireneista @futurebird
there are at least 4 different sources of natural C14 variations; high solar activity results in more cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere, resulting in more C14, skewing dates slightly older. Low solar activity does the opposite. Similarily, up and down variations in magnetic field or ozone layer also cause C14 variations. Large scale fires of coal, oil, and gas deposits can occur naturally, and inject large amouts of old carbon that doesn't contain any C14. -
@ireneista @futurebird
there are at least 4 different sources of natural C14 variations; high solar activity results in more cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere, resulting in more C14, skewing dates slightly older. Low solar activity does the opposite. Similarily, up and down variations in magnetic field or ozone layer also cause C14 variations. Large scale fires of coal, oil, and gas deposits can occur naturally, and inject large amouts of old carbon that doesn't contain any C14.@llewelly @futurebird oh that is fascinating. thank you for the detail!
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Microplastics?
I do remember one science fiction story where a human fossil was obviously a time traveller, because:
A) a human skeleton was found in Cretaceous rock, 60 odd million years before anything human evolved
B) the scientist studying the fossil compared an x-ray of the unique pattern of bumps inside the skull, and found a modern human who matched 100%...himself.
@davidtheeviloverlord @futurebird That reminds me tangentially of The Skull by Philip K. Dick.
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@llewelly @futurebird oh that is fascinating. thank you for the detail!
@ireneista @futurebird
note that some trees, some corals, and some clams all make regular growth rings that are effectively "dead" after being made, and these can be counted up and used to measure year-on-year variations in carbon 14. Those resulting records of carbon 14 variations are used to interpret carbon 14 radiometric dates. -
@ireneista @futurebird
note that some trees, some corals, and some clams all make regular growth rings that are effectively "dead" after being made, and these can be counted up and used to measure year-on-year variations in carbon 14. Those resulting records of carbon 14 variations are used to interpret carbon 14 radiometric dates.@llewelly @futurebird oh that is a super cool technique
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@ireneista @futurebird
there are at least 4 different sources of natural C14 variations; high solar activity results in more cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere, resulting in more C14, skewing dates slightly older. Low solar activity does the opposite. Similarily, up and down variations in magnetic field or ozone layer also cause C14 variations. Large scale fires of coal, oil, and gas deposits can occur naturally, and inject large amouts of old carbon that doesn't contain any C14.@llewelly @ireneista @futurebird like the Carrington event (also not an expert, but I listened to a Science podcast that mentioned it):
https://www.astronomy.com/science/prehistoric-trees-hint-an-immense-solar-storm-hit-earth-14300-years-ago/ -
If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?
@futurebird Great question, with no non-fictional answer because time travel is not possible