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If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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    @ireneista @futurebird

    At the coroner's office, after time travel has been invented:

    Detective, writing into small notebook: "So, how long ago did the deceased die?"

    Coroner, taking another large swig from a bottle: "Who knows? Maybe yesterday. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe right now."

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    @wakame @futurebird yeah lol 😄 the hidden premise of this scenario is that time travel is noteworthy in the setting, ie. not a normal part of society yet 😄

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      @wakame @futurebird yeah lol 😄 the hidden premise of this scenario is that time travel is noteworthy in the setting, ie. not a normal part of society yet 😄

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      @ireneista @futurebird

      Time Traveler: "Time travel will been a rather recent invention."

      Linguist: "You know what? I will simply go back in time and buy Microsoft shares instead of getting into a profession where I have to listen to eldritch abominations like 'will been'."

      Time Traveler: "Microsoft? The burger chain?"

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        @ireneista @futurebird

        Time Traveler: "Time travel will been a rather recent invention."

        Linguist: "You know what? I will simply go back in time and buy Microsoft shares instead of getting into a profession where I have to listen to eldritch abominations like 'will been'."

        Time Traveler: "Microsoft? The burger chain?"

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        @wakame @futurebird they really should have known that that was always going to have happened

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          @wakame @futurebird they really should have known that that was always going to have happened

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          @ireneista @futurebird

          Retrohistorian: "So what happened is this: A lot of time travelers, and I mean... a lot show up on April 4th, 1975, to buy a share of Microsoft.
          And Billy 'Buns' Gates, always the entrepreneur, sells each of them a burger with fries, for $20, reselling food that costs $1.20 at the time.
          After that, he basically bought a company named 'McDonalds' and rebranded it.
          What do we learn from that? Always compare prices whenever you go."

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            @ireneista @futurebird

            Retrohistorian: "So what happened is this: A lot of time travelers, and I mean... a lot show up on April 4th, 1975, to buy a share of Microsoft.
            And Billy 'Buns' Gates, always the entrepreneur, sells each of them a burger with fries, for $20, reselling food that costs $1.20 at the time.
            After that, he basically bought a company named 'McDonalds' and rebranded it.
            What do we learn from that? Always compare prices whenever you go."

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            @wakame @futurebird the most vividly believable time travel "bad end" we've ever seen is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B4vGbwR_jw

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              If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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              @futurebird carbon, oxygen, calcium, magnesium, and strontium all have stable isotope ratios which vary over time due to global geochemical cycles, and all are potentially useful in chemostratigraphy, but all are also affected by diet, and by metabolic body temperature. If all you had were isotope ratios, and no other information was available, it would be very difficult to distinguish a time traveler from someone who merely had a very unusual diet.

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              • Irenes (many)I Irenes (many)

                @futurebird on another note, we don't remember who wrote it but there was a short story once about time travelers who attempt to rob the library of Alexandria right before it burns down, but get caught by local law enforcement, who correctly deduce they're time travelers because......... they attempt to pass coins that are real gold, but all identical rather than showing individual variation in their manufacture

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                @ireneista @futurebird love that the local authorities were wise to time travel even back in the day

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                  @ireneista @futurebird love that the local authorities were wise to time travel even back in the day

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                  @djm62 @futurebird it was a very clever story

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                    @futurebird though you wouldn't be able to tell when they were from specifically, and there would be plenty of "regular" explanations such as them having had unusual exposure to radiation during their life

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                    @ireneista @futurebird
                    there are at least 4 different sources of natural C14 variations; high solar activity results in more cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere, resulting in more C14, skewing dates slightly older. Low solar activity does the opposite. Similarily, up and down variations in magnetic field or ozone layer also cause C14 variations. Large scale fires of coal, oil, and gas deposits can occur naturally, and inject large amouts of old carbon that doesn't contain any C14.

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                      @ireneista @futurebird
                      there are at least 4 different sources of natural C14 variations; high solar activity results in more cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere, resulting in more C14, skewing dates slightly older. Low solar activity does the opposite. Similarily, up and down variations in magnetic field or ozone layer also cause C14 variations. Large scale fires of coal, oil, and gas deposits can occur naturally, and inject large amouts of old carbon that doesn't contain any C14.

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                      @llewelly @futurebird oh that is fascinating. thank you for the detail!

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                        Microplastics?

                        I do remember one science fiction story where a human fossil was obviously a time traveller, because:

                        A) a human skeleton was found in Cretaceous rock, 60 odd million years before anything human evolved

                        B) the scientist studying the fossil compared an x-ray of the unique pattern of bumps inside the skull, and found a modern human who matched 100%...himself.

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                        @davidtheeviloverlord @futurebird That reminds me tangentially of The Skull by Philip K. Dick.

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                          @llewelly @futurebird oh that is fascinating. thank you for the detail!

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                          @ireneista @futurebird
                          note that some trees, some corals, and some clams all make regular growth rings that are effectively "dead" after being made, and these can be counted up and used to measure year-on-year variations in carbon 14. Those resulting records of carbon 14 variations are used to interpret carbon 14 radiometric dates.

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                            @ireneista @futurebird
                            note that some trees, some corals, and some clams all make regular growth rings that are effectively "dead" after being made, and these can be counted up and used to measure year-on-year variations in carbon 14. Those resulting records of carbon 14 variations are used to interpret carbon 14 radiometric dates.

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                            @llewelly @futurebird oh that is a super cool technique

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                              @ireneista @futurebird
                              there are at least 4 different sources of natural C14 variations; high solar activity results in more cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere, resulting in more C14, skewing dates slightly older. Low solar activity does the opposite. Similarily, up and down variations in magnetic field or ozone layer also cause C14 variations. Large scale fires of coal, oil, and gas deposits can occur naturally, and inject large amouts of old carbon that doesn't contain any C14.

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                              @llewelly @ireneista @futurebird like the Carrington event (also not an expert, but I listened to a Science podcast that mentioned it):
                              https://www.astronomy.com/science/prehistoric-trees-hint-an-immense-solar-storm-hit-earth-14300-years-ago/

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                              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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                                @futurebird Great question, with no non-fictional answer because time travel is not possible

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                                  @futurebird Great question, with no non-fictional answer because time travel is not possible

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                                  @lffontenelle

                                  OK Spok.

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                                  • GraydonG Graydon

                                    @futurebird Fluorine in the teeth; dental work generally. (Orthodontics leave traces! Implants on titanium posts rather more so.)

                                    The other thing is that this kind of thing is generally very coarse; "its diet was C4 plants" has been the result for jaguar skeletal remains. (They were ritual jaguars fed on corn-fed turkeys, far as anyone can tell.) Absolute proof of time travel would take something impossible at tech level like that titanium post.

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                                    @graydon @futurebird TIL ritual jaguars.

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                                      If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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                                      @futurebird real question: how would you tell an ant was a time traveler?

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                                        @futurebird real question: how would you tell an ant was a time traveler?

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                                        @notoriousiptg

                                        * If the ant were one of the extinct species such as the Hell ants, the hadiomyrmex
                                        * if she always spoke of humans in the past tense.

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