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If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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  • серафими многоꙮчитїиD серафими многоꙮчитїи

    @ireneista @futurebird love that the local authorities were wise to time travel even back in the day

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    @djm62 @futurebird it was a very clever story

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    • Irenes (many)I Irenes (many)

      @futurebird though you wouldn't be able to tell when they were from specifically, and there would be plenty of "regular" explanations such as them having had unusual exposure to radiation during their life

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      @ireneista @futurebird
      there are at least 4 different sources of natural C14 variations; high solar activity results in more cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere, resulting in more C14, skewing dates slightly older. Low solar activity does the opposite. Similarily, up and down variations in magnetic field or ozone layer also cause C14 variations. Large scale fires of coal, oil, and gas deposits can occur naturally, and inject large amouts of old carbon that doesn't contain any C14.

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        @ireneista @futurebird
        there are at least 4 different sources of natural C14 variations; high solar activity results in more cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere, resulting in more C14, skewing dates slightly older. Low solar activity does the opposite. Similarily, up and down variations in magnetic field or ozone layer also cause C14 variations. Large scale fires of coal, oil, and gas deposits can occur naturally, and inject large amouts of old carbon that doesn't contain any C14.

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        @llewelly @futurebird oh that is fascinating. thank you for the detail!

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        • D. G. MarshallD D. G. Marshall

          @futurebird

          Microplastics?

          I do remember one science fiction story where a human fossil was obviously a time traveller, because:

          A) a human skeleton was found in Cretaceous rock, 60 odd million years before anything human evolved

          B) the scientist studying the fossil compared an x-ray of the unique pattern of bumps inside the skull, and found a modern human who matched 100%...himself.

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          @davidtheeviloverlord @futurebird That reminds me tangentially of The Skull by Philip K. Dick.

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            @llewelly @futurebird oh that is fascinating. thank you for the detail!

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            @ireneista @futurebird
            note that some trees, some corals, and some clams all make regular growth rings that are effectively "dead" after being made, and these can be counted up and used to measure year-on-year variations in carbon 14. Those resulting records of carbon 14 variations are used to interpret carbon 14 radiometric dates.

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            • llewellyL llewelly

              @ireneista @futurebird
              note that some trees, some corals, and some clams all make regular growth rings that are effectively "dead" after being made, and these can be counted up and used to measure year-on-year variations in carbon 14. Those resulting records of carbon 14 variations are used to interpret carbon 14 radiometric dates.

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              @llewelly @futurebird oh that is a super cool technique

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                @ireneista @futurebird
                there are at least 4 different sources of natural C14 variations; high solar activity results in more cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere, resulting in more C14, skewing dates slightly older. Low solar activity does the opposite. Similarily, up and down variations in magnetic field or ozone layer also cause C14 variations. Large scale fires of coal, oil, and gas deposits can occur naturally, and inject large amouts of old carbon that doesn't contain any C14.

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                @llewelly @ireneista @futurebird like the Carrington event (also not an expert, but I listened to a Science podcast that mentioned it):
                https://www.astronomy.com/science/prehistoric-trees-hint-an-immense-solar-storm-hit-earth-14300-years-ago/

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                • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                  If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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                  @futurebird Great question, with no non-fictional answer because time travel is not possible

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                  • Leonardo Ferreira FontenelleL Leonardo Ferreira Fontenelle

                    @futurebird Great question, with no non-fictional answer because time travel is not possible

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                    @lffontenelle

                    OK Spok.

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                    • GraydonG Graydon

                      @futurebird Fluorine in the teeth; dental work generally. (Orthodontics leave traces! Implants on titanium posts rather more so.)

                      The other thing is that this kind of thing is generally very coarse; "its diet was C4 plants" has been the result for jaguar skeletal remains. (They were ritual jaguars fed on corn-fed turkeys, far as anyone can tell.) Absolute proof of time travel would take something impossible at tech level like that titanium post.

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                      @graydon @futurebird TIL ritual jaguars.

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                      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                        If a person were a time traveler how might that show up in their skeleton, eg in the isotopic analysis of their teeth?

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                        @futurebird real question: how would you tell an ant was a time traveler?

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                          @futurebird real question: how would you tell an ant was a time traveler?

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                          @notoriousiptg

                          * If the ant were one of the extinct species such as the Hell ants, the hadiomyrmex
                          * if she always spoke of humans in the past tense.

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