Why do schools have dances?
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I've had people hear this idea scoff saying "teens will never use it" I don't think this is true. They ALL come to the dances, even though they are "so boring" -- and I think at some level they would feel better having a safer place to express themselves in photos, videos and writing for each other without every creep on the internet looking in on it.
Will some teens still find internet "after parties" Yes.
But right now we are basically saying you can go to the afterparty or NOTHING.
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I want to thank some of you for your comments on this post that have made me realize a few things:
1. When talking about "social media intranets for teens" I need to make it clear I'm NOT talking about anonymous networks. Just like with school email it's one account per person.
2. I should probably define the difference between internet and intranet as well.
3. I'm going to hear "can't do it legal reasons*" over and over and should be ready with the big guns for THAT one. -
I want to thank some of you for your comments on this post that have made me realize a few things:
1. When talking about "social media intranets for teens" I need to make it clear I'm NOT talking about anonymous networks. Just like with school email it's one account per person.
2. I should probably define the difference between internet and intranet as well.
3. I'm going to hear "can't do it legal reasons*" over and over and should be ready with the big guns for THAT one.* It's something you pick up if you work in a big organization. Even the most innocent seeming ideas can be shot down for "legal reasons" --I think it can be very counterproductive to internalize this notion if you aren't a lawyer. Let the lawyers raise the "legal reasons" ... we don't live in some kind of paralyzed time when nothing can be done.
If "field trips" didn't exist I'm certian the first person to propose them would hear "can't go on a trip for legal reasons"
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* It's something you pick up if you work in a big organization. Even the most innocent seeming ideas can be shot down for "legal reasons" --I think it can be very counterproductive to internalize this notion if you aren't a lawyer. Let the lawyers raise the "legal reasons" ... we don't live in some kind of paralyzed time when nothing can be done.
If "field trips" didn't exist I'm certian the first person to propose them would hear "can't go on a trip for legal reasons"
And, using the field trip example again, there *are* legal implications to taking students on a trip. That's why we have permission slips.
Legal reasons are surmountable if you are doing something reasonable.
Don't abandon your idea before you even try it because thinking about the "legal implications" is complex.
In the case of having a student intranet I think there are basically ZERO legal implications since everything the network would do already exists in a school.
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And, using the field trip example again, there *are* legal implications to taking students on a trip. That's why we have permission slips.
Legal reasons are surmountable if you are doing something reasonable.
Don't abandon your idea before you even try it because thinking about the "legal implications" is complex.
In the case of having a student intranet I think there are basically ZERO legal implications since everything the network would do already exists in a school.
@futurebird Some colleges (etc) actually *have* intranets already. There are plenty of circumstances where it makes sense—why do clubs and events restricted to the campus and the students even need to use externally-visible networks? The posters and flyers on campus bulletin boards are implicitly contained by physical space. Their digital equivalents don't need to be any different.
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@futurebird Some colleges (etc) actually *have* intranets already. There are plenty of circumstances where it makes sense—why do clubs and events restricted to the campus and the students even need to use externally-visible networks? The posters and flyers on campus bulletin boards are implicitly contained by physical space. Their digital equivalents don't need to be any different.
@futurebird There's an irony, of course, that social media and networking as we know it have their roots in the BBS—a technology literally named after campus bulletin boards!
There's a lesson here applicable to many other things: we went so all-in on the internet, we've basically forgotten how to do anything else. Internet connectivity is the default assumption for anything with a computer in it. This is, to be blunt, *very silly.* -
@futurebird There's an irony, of course, that social media and networking as we know it have their roots in the BBS—a technology literally named after campus bulletin boards!
There's a lesson here applicable to many other things: we went so all-in on the internet, we've basically forgotten how to do anything else. Internet connectivity is the default assumption for anything with a computer in it. This is, to be blunt, *very silly.*@futurebird Local networking is perfectly sufficient for many use cases—*preferable*, considering the privacy nightmare that the internet has become. Why does every single "smart" appliance need to ping the server, when they could ping a hub? Or each other? (Or nothing at all, because what does your oven even need to network for?)
It baffles me that in the past 30 years, nobody has stopped and said "Maybe not every device should be accessible from literally every other device. That's pointless." -
I've had people hear this idea scoff saying "teens will never use it" I don't think this is true. They ALL come to the dances, even though they are "so boring" -- and I think at some level they would feel better having a safer place to express themselves in photos, videos and writing for each other without every creep on the internet looking in on it.
Will some teens still find internet "after parties" Yes.
But right now we are basically saying you can go to the afterparty or NOTHING.
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@futurebird Wow, this thread screams "Was never bullied" (of course I don't if you actually weren't, but it doesn't sound like it)… We must have had radically different experiences (although I don't know which direction is worse) if you really think "every creep on the internet looking in on it" is the main threat and not that the people you're forced on threat of state violence to spend 6+ hours with every day for years will make your life living hell when the way you "express yourself" strays even a bit out of societal norms.
Also, if you're concerned with not excluding the socially awkward kid you'd have to disable the block feature, because otherwise they will just get blocked by most people except those "kindred spirits" you don't care about.
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@futurebird Wow, this thread screams "Was never bullied" (of course I don't if you actually weren't, but it doesn't sound like it)… We must have had radically different experiences (although I don't know which direction is worse) if you really think "every creep on the internet looking in on it" is the main threat and not that the people you're forced on threat of state violence to spend 6+ hours with every day for years will make your life living hell when the way you "express yourself" strays even a bit out of societal norms.
Also, if you're concerned with not excluding the socially awkward kid you'd have to disable the block feature, because otherwise they will just get blocked by most people except those "kindred spirits" you don't care about.
Are you saying it's better not to have such a network?
You are very incorrect about my experience with bullying.
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Are you saying it's better not to have such a network?
You are very incorrect about my experience with bullying.
I get into this a bit more in this part of the thread:
myrmepropagandist (@futurebird@sauropods.win)
As a teacher who is always looking out for kids who struggle with "socializing" the part about being shut out really bothers me. When I was in HS internet was a secret world for a few dozen nerdy kids who knew about it. Now it's more like the socially savvy kids figure it out, and even manage to use it rather responsibly, but the kids who are more like I was... they have no idea what's going on or where to start and they are just left out. That sucks.
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