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PirateSoftware Leaves OffBrand Games as Stop Killing Games Reaches Goal
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He pretended like this would force studios to publish sourcecode and that they have to give up on drm. I am not shure if he or someone else said this but someone also pretendet like new laws would somehow retroactivly apply to all games and now sstudios would have to give up server code that propably has thrid party software in it that they dont have the right license to just release it.( this is also a point i read alot from comments everywwhere and its stupid.) First, anny new law will take a ton of time untill it iss written then passed and then goes into effect. If this law passes studios will know way in advanced that upcoming releases in the eu would be under this new law and therefore can take this into account when builsing their infrastructure for online play/drm like in case of the crew. Also anyone who is active in piracy forums where devs work on stuffk ows that they dont need aourcecode to get it running. People will chow through assembly if they want to make a game work, some decompiled lego island over the course of a year to preserve it.
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You mean "lets have people say whatever they want without any consequences or repercussions, no matter how wrong or hurtful they are"?Honestly I think Pirate Software was 90 percent in the wrong. He misunderstood the thrust of the Stop Killing Games movement and took his discourse too far. I think it's a little gross how much we've chosen to pile on as a community. In the real world we have in front of us some of the ideas put forth by Stop Killing Games will actually be hard for companies to implement. I don't feel bad for them nor do I support the murder of games. It's just not a simple prospect.
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I don't like pirate software like any other guy, but I want to put credit where credit is due. He wasn't ranting about Godot being woke last year. He was actually actively defending it from all the bigots. One of the very few YouTubers or streamers, I saw. You have probably mistaken him with Asmongold. He has long hair too, and he is right wing nutjob pos.Oh shoot, wasn't Asmongold censored out of the new bbno$ music video? There was some text at the start that said "I'm sorry, I didn't know about redacted's shitty views" and one of the people has a raptor image digitally inserted over his face for the whole video.
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> welcome to the internet Yeah, this is the sucky part about the modern internet. It used to be that the internet was a place for discussion and we've twisted it to a place to enforce conformity. I don't know anything about this guy, so maybe there's a more established pattern here, but ideally we don't jump down someone's throat when they do one or two unpopular things, but instead wait for a pattern to emerge before getting out the pitchforks. But everyone needs to be first, because the first one gets the eyeballs and there's not much downside to ruining someone's reputation unnecessarily. It's stupid and I hate it.
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your takeaway from individual people being unhappy after everything that has come to light about an individual popular person is missing the actual situation/thing that is happening right in front of you? quite a bit more went on than "differing opinion" and even then people are luckily allowed to be upset about that since this is an influential person, welcome to the internet.My take way is a subset of people are (justifiably) unhappy with Pirate Software. He acted like a dick and someone in his position should have better articulated his arguments and been more open to dialogue. It's also a little gross how many people are trying to pay their bills by stoking rage about this rather than moving the issue forward. And yes, I do understand that the rage is probably why this movement got past the goal posts. I still think we need to self reflect as a community. PS was gross, but we should be better.
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Can you or someone share those slides, becuase I'm not seeing that either. I looked at the English language initiative text on the website on my lunch break and did not see them.
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I think I'm just tired of being handed a pitchfork whenever I browse YouTube or read about Stop Killing Games.Yeah, that's why I generally avoid the more popular channels. I just don't care about internet drama and just want to watch some decent content.
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I don't understand why he's getting flamed so hard. I get that it's an unpopular take, but the reaction is way overboard. Why is the community like this?Unpopular take is a bit of an understatement. He called the entire movement shit and trashtalked it instead of just disagreeing. He also, after all the responses, doubled down and said he hopes "the movement gets want it wants, but not what it needs." It's also not really a one off situation from PirateSoftware This just served as a way for others to shed light on how scummy he is as a person in general.
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Honestly I think Pirate Software was 90 percent in the wrong. He misunderstood the thrust of the Stop Killing Games movement and took his discourse too far. I think it's a little gross how much we've chosen to pile on as a community. In the real world we have in front of us some of the ideas put forth by Stop Killing Games will actually be hard for companies to implement. I don't feel bad for them nor do I support the murder of games. It's just not a simple prospect.> I think it’s a little gross how much we’ve chosen to pile on as a community. The man is still advocating (to this very day) against Stop Killing Games, why does he get a pass? Why should I give a flying fuck about companies that have been bleeding a hobby I enjoy for years. Why are people so FUCKING WILLING TO STAND UP IN DEFENCE OF THE INDEFENSIBLE! Sorry that last one is not the games industry only. But really why do people think its gross to call someone on their bullshit, but not gross to play defence for a multinational company?
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Unpopular take is a bit of an understatement. He called the entire movement shit and trashtalked it instead of just disagreeing. He also, after all the responses, doubled down and said he hopes "the movement gets want it wants, but not what it needs." It's also not really a one off situation from PirateSoftware This just served as a way for others to shed light on how scummy he is as a person in general.Is there some kind of summary I can read? I don't follow him and only read a couple articles about the situation and it didn't seem all that bad. But maybe it was.
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These are kinda wild takes. The gaming industry for i die companies is wild and expansive in a way I dont remember 20 years ago. Was I just naive? Amd I naive now, and the guy who made a game on his own and uploaded it to steam was really just part of a large shell company? I mean youre comparing these to the multinational coorporations that are ruining our environment, and healthcare (in the US). I dont feel like theyre the same? Maybe there needs to be tweaks so that the extra burdens dont inhibit small companies, but do the big ones. Maybe thats already in it, but its hard for me to take it seriously when youre comparing customer's desire for a good product with a child working in a mine.
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These are kinda wild takes. The gaming industry for i die companies is wild and expansive in a way I dont remember 20 years ago. Was I just naive? Amd I naive now, and the guy who made a game on his own and uploaded it to steam was really just part of a large shell company? I mean youre comparing these to the multinational coorporations that are ruining our environment, and healthcare (in the US). I dont feel like theyre the same? Maybe there needs to be tweaks so that the extra burdens dont inhibit small companies, but do the big ones. Maybe thats already in it, but its hard for me to take it seriously when youre comparing customer's desire for a good product with a child working in a mine.Oh no, not putting this into a conspiracy. Not at all saying Thor is part of a large shell company. The issue I am pointing to is how people (Thor included) defend and fight for those same multinational corporations. Hell even you by belittling one aspect of enshitification as lesser and not worth any attention is not doing any good. Remember that we can do more then one thing at a time.
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Is there some kind of summary I can read? I don't follow him and only read a couple articles about the situation and it didn't seem all that bad. But maybe it was.Clip of his response: https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/AssiduousTiredBoarRitzMitz-j0W1S8wiY9wGCtK7 Video summary (timestamped at where he just trashtalks the movement for a solid minute) https://youtu.be/R-RaQZPzhqU?t=494 I don't know if there's any real good TLDR for this situation, here's the best I could find: https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/streamers/pirate-software-stop-killing-games-controversy-timeline-events WoW controversy part https://deltiasgaming.com/pirate-software-world-of-warcraft-drama-explained/ There's a couple of other stuff like abuse allegations against him and other minor controversies like cheating in puzzle games. You can look those up if you want. Also, for context, I do not condone any of the harm sent his way. I think what he's done is pretty scummy, but he and his team doesn't deserve being sent death threats and swatted
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Not in the slightest in this case. He very much did say that live and also still stands by what was said. The idea that you need someone to walk you though it to such a degree is odd and likely is because you are looking for a particular reality that you can agree with. Like I could understand if we were talking about some event that had opposing claims here, but in this case the man in question does not even deny that was what he said. And if you want "the context" more then what was on that clip, the live stream was just that he was made aware of the campaign and this is how he reacted.I doubt “the context” is that he started the stream, said "eat my entire ass" and stopped it. I bet there was hours of ramblings, like streamers do. And taking three sentences out of hours of ramblings is almost a definition of taking shit out of context. The irony is, the video you linked is actually walking you to conclusion. Asking for context and sources is normal, listening to a video with quotes chopped together, and believing it with no more questioning is not.
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My point was that this rage mill has produced a lot of extreme negativity and this post, among others, and the comment thread within, is propogating it. And, as far as I can tell, it is over, at best, Thor taking the possibilities of this petition as written to the extreme to illustrate his concerns for its vagueness. And even if he is dead wrong, completely mistaken, and now knows it and won't admit to it, that does not, in anyway, justify the position he is put in now. I'm not say that you personally support him being swatted, or getting death threats, but not letting this shit go after a year of bullshit, letting it fester and boosting the rage, that's what leads to that shit. Just let it go.The guy took something he didn't understand and shat all over it to his audience, when told he didn't understand it he did nothing at all to correct his mistake or even admit one had been made. And as a result he's being clowned on. And people are finding more and more things that follow this like of behavior from him and clowning him on that too. If you act like an asshole. You'll get treated like one. There's a reason no one was talking shit about Bob Ross.
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Oh no, not putting this into a conspiracy. Not at all saying Thor is part of a large shell company. The issue I am pointing to is how people (Thor included) defend and fight for those same multinational corporations. Hell even you by belittling one aspect of enshitification as lesser and not worth any attention is not doing any good. Remember that we can do more then one thing at a time.
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Clip of his response: https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/AssiduousTiredBoarRitzMitz-j0W1S8wiY9wGCtK7 Video summary (timestamped at where he just trashtalks the movement for a solid minute) https://youtu.be/R-RaQZPzhqU?t=494 I don't know if there's any real good TLDR for this situation, here's the best I could find: https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/streamers/pirate-software-stop-killing-games-controversy-timeline-events WoW controversy part https://deltiasgaming.com/pirate-software-world-of-warcraft-drama-explained/ There's a couple of other stuff like abuse allegations against him and other minor controversies like cheating in puzzle games. You can look those up if you want. Also, for context, I do not condone any of the harm sent his way. I think what he's done is pretty scummy, but he and his team doesn't deserve being sent death threats and swattedFor reference, this is the first time I've watched anything by PirateSoftware, and I've only heard about him in the past week or so. So I'm coming at this from a pretty neutral position and as someone who generally supports SKG (I'm not in Europe so I can't sign, but I would if I could). > Clip of his response Looks like he's responding more to online bullying, not the petition. The only time he mentions Ross at all (and not even by name) is him giving sarcastic support (hope petition gets everything you asked for, but nothing you wanted), which underscores his view that the petition is overly vague. The video summary is useful, it looks like PirateSoftware completely missed what the petition was for. I've read the petition and watched the supporting materials, and it's clear to me that the focus is to make games (SP or MP) continue to work in some fashion for those that bought it after support ends. But it seems PirateSoftware somehow misinterpreted it as "all games must be playable SP after support ends," which isn't the case at all. Using the WoW example, players just want to keep doing raids w/ friends after support ends, and they're happy to host the server themselves. > here’s the best I could find I think that's the one I read. Here's my takeaway, I obviously haven't confirmed everything (I'd rather not dig through his videos) > WoW controversy part Idk, that situation looks dumb. I don't know who the group leader was, but here's how it seems to have unfolded: 1. someone says run (beginning of the clip), so he runs 2. on the way out he exhausts his manna trying to save the group 3. someone else says to come back because they're getting wrecked 4. seconds later that same person says "just run" I don't think there's a good outcome there. Either he returns to help the person getting wrecked and likely dies (I'm not familiar w/ WoW, but it seems he's out of resources), or he runs and doesn't die, and there are conflicting commands from the group. It was a tense situation and the group was looking for someone to blame. The article mentions the group worked it out. > I think what he’s done is pretty scummy Here's how I see it, taking things from PirateSoftware's perspective: 1. misinterprets the petition (honest mistake IMO), probably because Ross Scott isn't some suave presenter and jumped to conclusions (i.e. this is just some angry gamer who threw something together); that last part is absolutely speculation on my part, drawn from my own initial reaction 2. got a ton of unrelated backlash, like people digging through his history to defame him, death threats, etc 3. he doesn't see his error, and instead sees Ross Scott as the unwitting leader of a horde of angry gamers who are going to accidentally destroy a chunk of his industry What _needed_ to happen is for PirateSoftware and Ross Scott to jump on a call to clarify the petition. It's absolutely fine if he still thinks it's a bad petition, but at least ensure you understand what it's talking about so you can elucidate reasons for opposing it. I think PirateSoftware is your typical self-centered streamer/YouTuber. He probably didn't watch Ross Scott's rebuttal, probably because the community's reaction left a bad taste in his mouth. On the flipside, one of the streamers _I_ like also initially rejected the petition (not sure if he changed his mind, I don't watch him all that often), probably because the rational initial reaction to proposed laws is to reject them. I think it's an unfortunate situation. I wish Ross Scott was more charismatic. I wish PirateSoftware didn't misread the petition. I wish they jumped on a call to work through the details, which would be especially valuable to Ross Scott to get the feedback of an industry insider. A lot of unfortunate things happened, but I _still_ don't think PirateSoftware is a bad person, I think he's just a typical streamer who tends to jump to conclusions (easy to do when doing things live) and is a bit self-centered (which you need to be as a streamer IMO). Anyway, that's my take given the limited amount of time I've spent on this.
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Fair enough. I guess Injust hope small businesses can generally be held to a different standard, since small businesses generally are flatter and promote more leveled economic growth.I run a small business and agree we are the real driver of good economic growth (not a death spiral of infinite profit). However I just want to play by the same rules as the big guys, different standards for different sized businesses are kinda how we got here.
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I doubt “the context” is that he started the stream, said "eat my entire ass" and stopped it. I bet there was hours of ramblings, like streamers do. And taking three sentences out of hours of ramblings is almost a definition of taking shit out of context. The irony is, the video you linked is actually walking you to conclusion. Asking for context and sources is normal, listening to a video with quotes chopped together, and believing it with no more questioning is not.It was a many hour stream yes. But no that is the context, other then Thor just getting it flat out wrong and then doubling down there is not much more of that part of this story. And if grabbing the first video covering it on youtube is "walking ... to [a] conclusion" then I guess so is this very thing I am typing. I guess we should all just stop what we are doing until someone digs up the original livestream in its totality, then at that point we can argue about if it really is the *true* copy..... Come on the dood in question here does not dispute that is what he said, just the other day he thrust the knife in one more time.