Buying some perfume online.
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Buying some perfume online.
"Would you like an installment plan?"
For a $26 purchase.
If I wanted I could set up the installment plan for the $26 purchase and have it charge my credit card.
Call it "micro leverage on leverage."
Some puritanical grumpy voice deep in me that came from my dad is grumbling that it ought to be illegal to buy something like perfume like this. But really it shouldn't be possible for any purchase. In some ways buying food this way would be a sadder story.
@futurebird people are using things like Klarna to buy groceries

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Buying some perfume online.
"Would you like an installment plan?"
For a $26 purchase.
If I wanted I could set up the installment plan for the $26 purchase and have it charge my credit card.
Call it "micro leverage on leverage."
Some puritanical grumpy voice deep in me that came from my dad is grumbling that it ought to be illegal to buy something like perfume like this. But really it shouldn't be possible for any purchase. In some ways buying food this way would be a sadder story.
@futurebird We used to have strong usury laws. Credit card companies got them weakened, under Reagan IIRC.
Every time I see a rate over 10% it is a reminder of how corrupted our capitalism has become.
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@futurebird people are using things like Klarna to buy groceries

@akamran @futurebird Yeah, BNPL services are in 3 types of bubbles right now. 1) consumer bubble, where individuals are getting into more (underreported) debt that they won't be able to repay; 2) market bubble, where investments in BNPL companies are way too high considering their underlying financials; and 3) economic bubble, where broader economic analysts believe the economy is healthy because consumer spending is up and CC debt is down, even though this spending is driven by BNPL services.
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@futurebird @jmax
alas..
can't help thinking we should always have a Graeber's "Debt: The First 5000 Years,Updated and Expanded" hardcover at hand to smash the head of the potential popping-up Sam Altman or like..@bituur_esztreym @futurebird @jmax
“Temples Of Enterprise” By Michael Hudson
Hudson’s treatment is a much more purely historical account of the evolution of debt, finance and oligarchy. Oligarchy has been responsible for the collapse of multiple civilizations.
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@akamran @futurebird Yeah, BNPL services are in 3 types of bubbles right now. 1) consumer bubble, where individuals are getting into more (underreported) debt that they won't be able to repay; 2) market bubble, where investments in BNPL companies are way too high considering their underlying financials; and 3) economic bubble, where broader economic analysts believe the economy is healthy because consumer spending is up and CC debt is down, even though this spending is driven by BNPL services.
@Jumpmed @futurebird unregulated financial activity, what could go wrong?

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@Jumpmed @futurebird unregulated financial activity, what could go wrong?

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@futurebird We used to have strong usury laws. Credit card companies got them weakened, under Reagan IIRC.
Every time I see a rate over 10% it is a reminder of how corrupted our capitalism has become.
@afeinman@wandering.shop @futurebird@sauropods.win An installment plan is a financial asset that can be bundled, tranched, and sold to investors. We are headed towards a future in which everyone unable to outright buy or own things will pay for everything in this way. The word "corrupted" does not seem up to the challenge of describing this.
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@afeinman@wandering.shop @futurebird@sauropods.win An installment plan is a financial asset that can be bundled, tranched, and sold to investors. We are headed towards a future in which everyone unable to outright buy or own things will pay for everything in this way. The word "corrupted" does not seem up to the challenge of describing this.
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I think this is a great idea but I'm a little worried that if we started talking about it somehow Sam Altman would pop up out of nowhere and it'd only end up applying to big companies who have made a debt mess on purpose knowing full well what they were doing.
And the person who was just trying to buy a box of cereal will still need to make all four installment payments or get buried in more debt.
How is "too big to fail" not just Year of Jubilee." for the rich?
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@jmax @futurebird Sam Altman popping out of no where is unadulterated nightmare fuel
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@bituur_esztreym @futurebird @jmax
“Temples Of Enterprise” By Michael Hudson
Hudson’s treatment is a much more purely historical account of the evolution of debt, finance and oligarchy. Oligarchy has been responsible for the collapse of multiple civilizations.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @bituur_esztreym @futurebird @jmax Here's a bit on Debt Jubilees, quoting Hudson's book. They go back a long way.
https://www.hoyes.com/blog/is-a-debt-jubilee-the-solution-to-our-collective-debt-problem/#Historical_Precedent