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Microsoft’s next-gen Xbox has an AMD chip inside and is ‘not locked to a single store’
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Broadly speaking, what are Xbox looking to do here? They optimise Windows for gaming and open up the console for other storefronts, then is it just a Steam device? They won't make money from Steam sales. Is this a cloud streaming device? Can you cloud stream games from other storefronts?
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Lol valve. Don't care about it. I mostly don't use steam, except for multi players games when network is really needed. I pirate everything and pay for games once I knew they are good. I got triggered by your comments about linux not being ready for gaming. It beat the switch easily, it beat the Xbox easily. Don't try to make yourself a victim. You shit on a full ecosystem without knowing and then cry when people telling you on it.Have you considered addressing the fact that ProtonDB lists about 40% of Windows games as incompatible?
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Have you considered addressing the fact that ProtonDB lists about 40% of Windows games as incompatible?Yeah they probably do, most people just change proton version and quit after trying some common options. It is pretty unhelpful for non mainstream games. You have to look more into wine to set the DLL, tools or dependency which are missing. For exemple most launcher just need the winhttp component and work well. But it is nearly never suggested. Some need to explicitly add a DLL and it's version but same, it is nearly never mentioned.
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No one: Says Nadella summer 2026: Introducing Microsoft Surface Xbox With Microsoft Co-Pilot laptop and Microsoft Surface Xbox With Microsoft Co-pilot+ X.
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Yeah they probably do, most people just change proton version and quit after trying some common options. It is pretty unhelpful for non mainstream games. You have to look more into wine to set the DLL, tools or dependency which are missing. For exemple most launcher just need the winhttp component and work well. But it is nearly never suggested. Some need to explicitly add a DLL and it's version but same, it is nearly never mentioned.Who are you trying to bs saying Wine will solve the issues? Wine app DB is a public thing, Winetricks use is assumed for most entries. I’m done, bye.
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Who are you trying to bs saying Wine will solve the issues? Wine app DB is a public thing, Winetricks use is assumed for most entries. I’m done, bye.I ma not telling it solved anything but you have to do research and learn how to use it, you missed the part I told that you have to tweak for some games. And I don't speak specifically about wine, there are proton ge or wine ge which are options too depending of the situation you have to use vanilla wine, proton, wine ge or protonge and have to change version, it is not user friendly but it work. I play on linux since years, and it may be 2-3 year since I wasn't able to run a game. For more user friendly you have lutris games installer which work pretty well.
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It's already serious business in laptops and desktops. Just exclusively for Apple's awful little incompatible fiefdom.Yeah, it's just Apple actually pushing it forward and Microsoft sorta half assing it lol.
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Yeah, it's just Apple actually pushing it forward and Microsoft sorta half assing it lol.Microsoft does not make processors.
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Microsoft does not make processors.I obviously mean with software support, though also https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/15/23960345/microsoft-cpu-gpu-ai-chips-azure-maia-cobalt-specifications-cloud-infrastructure
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Microsoft is likely to develop a stripped down version of Windows for those handhelds. Windows isn’t fundamentally incapable of low overhead and Xbox runs something similar. As to why you’d want to use Windows even if you’re tech savvy there are loads of reasons: * Native access to other digital storefronts (Valve wants to lock you with Steam Deck) * Microsoft treats backwards compatibility and long term support seriously, unlike Valve that has a history of abandoning things when they no longer found them immediately profitable * There are plenty of games with kernel-level anti-cheat that won’t work with Wine/Proton ever * Wine/Proton compatibility isn’t good enough to replace Windows * Valve pushes Proton so heavily that developers stopped creating native Linux ports so the above is unlikely to change anytime soon But there are also good reasons to go with SD like very very good VRR screen utilisation (Xbox is also good at this so maybe there’s hope for Windows).
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Never thought I’d give people a valid reason to.
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And the dirt finally starts getting thrown onto the casket. RIP XBOX, You really weren’t the same after J Allard left.
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Broadly speaking, what are Xbox looking to do here? They optimise Windows for gaming and open up the console for other storefronts, then is it just a Steam device? They won't make money from Steam sales. Is this a cloud streaming device? Can you cloud stream games from other storefronts?So imagine an Xbox Series X that's also as open as a Steam Deck. Or, to put it simply, imagine a gaming PC with a comfortable couch layout, sold at a much cheaper price point than it'd be as a laptop/desktop because Microsoft can afford to sell it at (or below) cost of parts to push Gamepass subs. Mods, your existing Steam / Epic / GOG / *pirated* libraries. Assuming it's not locked down, it's the first time I've considered owning an Xbox product since the 360. Don't forget, an Xbox that's just a PC is an Xbox that gets all of Sony's cutscene hallways too. And all of Nintendo's games through emulation. And the entire Steam library, and hell since it's Windows (and thus plays nice with rootkit DRM) it's a console that runs League of Legends. A console that runs world of warcraft if you want. That's a console someone's gonna buy, unlike the XSX which is a console with no exclusives (vs PC) and also doesn't have the PC's multiple storefronts and compatibility with your existing libraries and mods.
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So imagine an Xbox Series X that's also as open as a Steam Deck. Or, to put it simply, imagine a gaming PC with a comfortable couch layout, sold at a much cheaper price point than it'd be as a laptop/desktop because Microsoft can afford to sell it at (or below) cost of parts to push Gamepass subs. Mods, your existing Steam / Epic / GOG / *pirated* libraries. Assuming it's not locked down, it's the first time I've considered owning an Xbox product since the 360. Don't forget, an Xbox that's just a PC is an Xbox that gets all of Sony's cutscene hallways too. And all of Nintendo's games through emulation. And the entire Steam library, and hell since it's Windows (and thus plays nice with rootkit DRM) it's a console that runs League of Legends. A console that runs world of warcraft if you want. That's a console someone's gonna buy, unlike the XSX which is a console with no exclusives (vs PC) and also doesn't have the PC's multiple storefronts and compatibility with your existing libraries and mods.That could be compelling. I think they would want to design the OS in a way that strongly incentivises you to buy games through the Microsoft store, like SteamOS with the steam store. If they make it too flexible, they've just sold hardware at a loss to be someone's steam machine as well as making the OS potentially too complicated for a normal person to figure out. If they can make a windows machine that can play all of the old Xbox games, run other storefronts, and do quick resume/hibernate properly, I'm interested. I was kind of waiting out for SteamOS on desktop to get a console like experience on a PC.
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That could be compelling. I think they would want to design the OS in a way that strongly incentivises you to buy games through the Microsoft store, like SteamOS with the steam store. If they make it too flexible, they've just sold hardware at a loss to be someone's steam machine as well as making the OS potentially too complicated for a normal person to figure out. If they can make a windows machine that can play all of the old Xbox games, run other storefronts, and do quick resume/hibernate properly, I'm interested. I was kind of waiting out for SteamOS on desktop to get a console like experience on a PC.Yeah, all they need to rake in direct profits from the MS store and *especially* gamepass lock-in is to make it *easier* to do that than install software through other means. Don't forget though, even if it's possible to buy this WinXbox and completely remove Windows from it for SteamOS or Bazzite (unlikely), MS still gets to sell controllers and accessories for the thing. And also, just like installing Linux on a laptop, *most users* are going to use it out of the box. Anything that'll require plugging in a keyboard will immediately gate out any chance of a majority of users *not* using xbox storefront/gamepass/etc on this thing. It's also Microsoft. Their video games division is *tiny* compared to their business sector and other arms. Taking losses in video games just to push the concept of "windows is good and open!" harder to normies (you and i on *fucking lemmy* know that "more open than a nintendo switch" is a low bar to clear and Windows is far from "freedom") might be worth it to the shareholders. After all, they spend how many billions on advertising every year and *that's* a direct loss in exchange for more consumer awareness of their products.
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Yeah, all they need to rake in direct profits from the MS store and *especially* gamepass lock-in is to make it *easier* to do that than install software through other means. Don't forget though, even if it's possible to buy this WinXbox and completely remove Windows from it for SteamOS or Bazzite (unlikely), MS still gets to sell controllers and accessories for the thing. And also, just like installing Linux on a laptop, *most users* are going to use it out of the box. Anything that'll require plugging in a keyboard will immediately gate out any chance of a majority of users *not* using xbox storefront/gamepass/etc on this thing. It's also Microsoft. Their video games division is *tiny* compared to their business sector and other arms. Taking losses in video games just to push the concept of "windows is good and open!" harder to normies (you and i on *fucking lemmy* know that "more open than a nintendo switch" is a low bar to clear and Windows is far from "freedom") might be worth it to the shareholders. After all, they spend how many billions on advertising every year and *that's* a direct loss in exchange for more consumer awareness of their products.That all sounds true to me. I've been with Sony for PS1, 2, 4 and 5 but had an Xbox OG/360. I've got to say I'm surprised that M$ hasn't with all their trillions been able to create a platform yet that makes them dominate in either the PC or console space. That said, I mustn't be the only one who thinks that the PS5 generation has been such a bad sign for the future of Sony. In 5 years I've played 3 good exclusive games on the system, the console has frankly been a waste of money. And they've had 12 live service games in development. 12 great single player or couch coop exclusives would have been fucking great, but instead they're chasing the live service dragon.
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Broadly speaking, what are Xbox looking to do here? They optimise Windows for gaming and open up the console for other storefronts, then is it just a Steam device? They won't make money from Steam sales. Is this a cloud streaming device? Can you cloud stream games from other storefronts?
