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Are you ready for a $1,000 Steam Machine? Some analysts think you should be.
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Well at a desk you don't have to pull out the keyboard from wherever you stash it and put it on your lap every time you want to change games. It's already there. But of course I am comparing to console gaming where this option is a lot more crap in comparison.
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The title is a bit misleading, as the article lists diverging analysts’ opinions, ranging from Valve willing to sell at a loss or low margins, to high prices due to RAM and SSD price volatility. cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blackeco.com/post/2330473It's likely in everybody's best interest that this succeeds. Not only will game developers be incentivized to actually optimize their games for reasonable setups, this will unseat NVIDIA's monopoly over gamers with their overpriced graphics cards and also Microsoft's monopoly on a gamer's operating system. NVIDIA's partnership with Palantir is a great reason to boycott them and encourage these developments and hype this all up.
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Steam picture mode you don't even need to bother with that. It can all be done through controller. If you are familiar with Steam Deck that's basically big picture mode.
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Yeah I haven't tried big picture mode lately but as I remember you still had to sometimes deal with keyboard and mouse to fix options or sometime edit files on the computer to make things work well on a given hardware. But maybe it's improved since then.Well yeah that's just comes with being a PC. But, if you already got your games set up not really much need to do troubleshooting when TV gaming. Like you can go on and on and on trying to find issues, but main point is for PC gamers who already have a gaming PC hdmi cable and controller is generally all that is needed to game on the TV. So they can save on needing another system just for the purpose of playing on a TV.
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Well yeah that's just comes with being a PC. But, if you already got your games set up not really much need to do troubleshooting when TV gaming. Like you can go on and on and on trying to find issues, but main point is for PC gamers who already have a gaming PC hdmi cable and controller is generally all that is needed to game on the TV. So they can save on needing another system just for the purpose of playing on a TV.Yeah I'm sure for a lot of PC gamers this will be fine. It remains to be seen if the Steam Machine is really the couch experience I would accept or not. If it involves a keyboard and mouse it's not. Been there, done that, not going back. I think it will probably be priced outside of what I'd be willing to pay for something of this spec anyway. At the end of the day, consoles do a lot of things very well for the price and are a good value if you don't have a very large game library. On the Sony store you can still pick most stuff up on pretty steep discounts if you wait a bit and put it on a watchlist.
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Yeah I'm sure for a lot of PC gamers this will be fine. It remains to be seen if the Steam Machine is really the couch experience I would accept or not. If it involves a keyboard and mouse it's not. Been there, done that, not going back. I think it will probably be priced outside of what I'd be willing to pay for something of this spec anyway. At the end of the day, consoles do a lot of things very well for the price and are a good value if you don't have a very large game library. On the Sony store you can still pick most stuff up on pretty steep discounts if you wait a bit and put it on a watchlist.Pretty much why in my first comment it was addressing PC gamers to try using a HDMI if they want to play on the TV. Wasn't directed towards console gamers to get a PC. Steam machine will require same troubleshooting, since it is in the end a PC that lets you install any games even if it isn't compatible. And will require sometimes to go to a site like protondb to see which proton version is compatible to get the game running. Steam machine is more an entry for those interested in getting into PCs that isnt super expensive.
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Lol, for someone who’s been proven to be factually wrong and talking out of ass multiple times already in this single thread you seem incredibly confident that I’m wrong.You have yet to add a single bit of value to this exchange. Hope you have a good weekend.
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Yeah, but the hardware in these machines is part custom and Valve buys in bulk to be able to sell at an affordable price. Remember: their main business is in selling games, but you need hardware to play those games
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Yes, but also consider you are running a more updated, optimized version of Cyberpunk than what everyone experienced when it first launched (and more optimized drivers/FSR/etc). So the true performance gains of mid-low range hardware is masked by the fact that the game is not so horribly unoptimized anymore. In other words, the actual performance increase of hardware over the years is perceived to be higher than it actually is due to other factors.
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Pretty much why in my first comment it was addressing PC gamers to try using a HDMI if they want to play on the TV. Wasn't directed towards console gamers to get a PC. Steam machine will require same troubleshooting, since it is in the end a PC that lets you install any games even if it isn't compatible. And will require sometimes to go to a site like protondb to see which proton version is compatible to get the game running. Steam machine is more an entry for those interested in getting into PCs that isnt super expensive.It very well begs the question though, if it's not for console gamers due to mentioned issues and likely price, is it really for PC gamers who likely already have a PC and could easily enough stream to their tv or just get a long cable and a few other peripherals as you mention?
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> hope one day soon someone makes a better frontend that supports other platforms better, Heroic Games Launcher isn't that bad IMO. Though I haven't checked if it has something equivalent to big picture mode, which is kind of a necessity to compete with Steam on the Steam Machine. But on PC it's fine. I use it for my free Epic games lol
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It very well begs the question though, if it's not for console gamers due to mentioned issues and likely price, is it really for PC gamers who likely already have a PC and could easily enough stream to their tv or just get a long cable and a few other peripherals as you mention?I don't think most people shoot for higher than console specs or even upgrade as often as people think. Like I'm on AM4 which is a last gen chipset and on a 3000 series gpu which is 2 gpu generations ago. And with stuff like dlss it's extended how often people need to upgrade to hit fps targets. Like I'm still able to play at over 100 fps. All the ones talking up the latest video cards and cpus are pretty seeking next gen performance, and they are outliers based on steam hardware surveys. Me. I don't see myself upgrading until the next console gen when hardware requirements will go up again. And not everyone wants to build a pc, and there's people who've been happy with the performance of the Deck. So not all pc gamers are the stereotypical must max everything out crowd. So for them getting something more powerful than the Deck would would be for them. As for me if the Steam Machine is cheap enough or goes on sale for around the base price of the Deck in the future I might just pick it up to use as a secondary PC on my other monitor.
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Ps5 controller is like $70, the Steam Controller has more features than that, and the OG Steam Controller was pretty expensive. I’d be shocked if it’s under $100. I’m expecting it in the $150-$200 range. But we’ll see, I’d love to be proven wrongWasn't the OG steam controller $50 ?
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Yes, but also consider you are running a more updated, optimized version of Cyberpunk than what everyone experienced when it first launched (and more optimized drivers/FSR/etc). So the true performance gains of mid-low range hardware is masked by the fact that the game is not so horribly unoptimized anymore. In other words, the actual performance increase of hardware over the years is perceived to be higher than it actually is due to other factors.
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It's likely in everybody's best interest that this succeeds. Not only will game developers be incentivized to actually optimize their games for reasonable setups, this will unseat NVIDIA's monopoly over gamers with their overpriced graphics cards and also Microsoft's monopoly on a gamer's operating system. NVIDIA's partnership with Palantir is a great reason to boycott them and encourage these developments and hype this all up.
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And then Microsoft or Sony would bulk buy 10k steam machines to use in their server rooms. They can't sell at a loss because the hardware is not locked, otherwise people could just buy these and use them for whatever and Valve wouldn't see a cent from those machines. At the very least they need to be sold at a neutral price point, but more than likely they're looking to get some profit over them.
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Yes, but also consider you are running a more updated, optimized version of Cyberpunk than what everyone experienced when it first launched (and more optimized drivers/FSR/etc). So the true performance gains of mid-low range hardware is masked by the fact that the game is not so horribly unoptimized anymore. In other words, the actual performance increase of hardware over the years is perceived to be higher than it actually is due to other factors.
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While I think you’re ultimately right, 6 years ago I would have said the same thing about the Steam Deck idea, so I’m compelled to offer counterpoints. Valve, very uniquely, does offer *the best* Linux-based digital games storefront to use on that Linux gaming PC you bought. So, they’re very much positioned to take advantage of the hardware purchase. Users aren’t “locked in”, but they are compelled in, and users may have a smoother time getting games on Steam than trying to set up controller-based launchers on Heroic or something. It’s like when the pet isn’t literally fenced into the house, and is allowed to roam free, but is reminded that its fluffy toy and warm meals are all back at home, so it’ll never go far. Valve also might just be more forward-thinking than ~~most game companies~~ most COMPANIES these days. They build goodwill this way and get people obsessed with their brand by having more wins like this.
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The title is a bit misleading, as the article lists diverging analysts’ opinions, ranging from Valve willing to sell at a loss or low margins, to high prices due to RAM and SSD price volatility. cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blackeco.com/post/2330473Number of investors think you should be willing to invest in a machine that you probably don't have money for to enrich them. They think you should buy games at $70 or something instead of wait for them to be $30 like on sale. Like I wait. Not all of us want to be in debt.
