Theoretically people could use it for a cheap non-gaming PC, except the cheapest non-gaming PC would be non-gaming specs. Anyone using it for cheap crypto-mining is an idiot, the cheap option there is a rack full of bang-for-buck GPUs. Are there any other use-cases that involve gaming-PC specs? Making videos, perhaps?

Microsoft and Sony have no leverage at all over Valve when it comes to PC sales. Reneging on their deals to bring their published games to Steam would only mean fewer sales.

No. It's going to be sub PS5 in terms of performance and should be priced accordingly. You can make the argument that games are a bit cheaper on Steam so they can maybe charge a premium for that, but I would only consider one if it could do the things my PS5 does at a similar price.

The issue is that if you sell the PC at a loss, you're effectively subsidzing every person and business who wants an SFF-PC but may not necessarily buy games for them. It's not like the Steam Deck where you can bet the majority of those devices are ending up in the hands of gamers.

It failed for multiple reasons, but a big reason was that they tried to outsource the hardware and basically just got reskins of existing gaming-PC prebuilds, which didn't actually make PCs any less confusing. And they didn't actually save money (and some were overpriced scams) so buyers were basically forced to do as much research as buying an actual gaming PC. All of that will be solved, *and* the software/UX/other stuff you mentioned are far more mature, like you say.

Could be good for some home automation workflows- plex server, transcribing security cam video, doing object detection on said video.

Price out a build that will compete with this and not require an ATX tower.

And beyond the aggressive pricing, the one major benefit over other miniPC makers is the extensive support. I have a Minisforum mini PC. Took Minisforum over a year to release BIOS updates that were finished in March 2024... and against all CS promises it still hasn't fixed the initial discrepancies (advertised as the only 8945HS mini PC that can go over 57W due to their improved cooling, and the only Ryzen 8000 series APU that can handle RAM at 5400-5600MT/s - still can't get power over 57W and even though I have compatible RAM, it refuses to clock over 4800MHz, and there's no option to configure it either). Meanwhile Valve is _still_ dropping improvements on the Steam Deck, 3.5 years after release.

Asus B360 Prime with 32GB RAM i5 9400F CPU 6700 XT GPU w/ 12GB VRAM (all of that used) ... however, I originally bought it all for a virtual pinball build so I'm sure it could be done better with Bazzite in mind from the start. I went with a white+birch Lian Li A3-mATX to get something barely good looking enough to fit with the rest of the gaming room.

Meta sold Quest headsets at a loss to cover the market. Valve sold the Index for profit.

Have you seen a PS5? ATX is what people already do at this price point. ITX isn't the pull here.

The success of the Steam Deck clearly proves how many pc users prefer a ready to go console-like experience, over high performance. Anything under 850 will sell like crazy. And considering that this is a Linux pc, i saw this as an absolute win. 2026 could really be the year of Linux.

People seriously underestimate the performance that you can pull out a medium-level hardware with some highly-optimized OS. I mean, just watch what they were able to archive with the Deck.

...I might pick up the controller if it's not a hundred bucks.

> This is an illusion of an open system. Well that's certainly an...unusual position. > Steam obviously, there’s no competition. There's definitely competition. Is the competition great? Not really. But you can still buy and install games from Epic, Itch and GOG and run them on Steam hardware. It's just not as convenient. There's not really anything they can do about that. I hope one day soon someone makes a better frontend that supports other platforms better, and if they do, you'll be able to install it on Steam hardware, because that's what an open system means. Closed hardware looks Like PS5, XBOX and Switch. No browser. No desktop. No access to any files. No mods. No emulation. No third party stores AT ALL. And in fact if you try to do any of those things, they will remotely **brick** your device. > Then as your library grows you get more and more vendor locked. Not sure how you get there...

I'm sure being a handheld had nothing to do with it.

PC builders aren't interested in prebuilts. If this provides 90% of the experience of a prebuilt at 50% of the price, it makes sense. We don't know the actual percentages yet but you get the idea hopefully. My point was that many prebuilts are so shit, that it's easy to make a comparatively good product. I mean ffs some of them don't even run their CPUs and RAM at advertised speeds. Laptops are a completely different breed that this thing isn't gonna compete with, not at 800 bucks, not at 200.

Honestly, they could sell at a loss and still profit. Steam has the biggest selection of games bar none, they've built a culture of buying games too collect them with no intention of playing them, and they get a decent cut of every sale. If they thought of it as a 10 year plan they could sell this thing for $400, and undercut the entire rest of the condole scene, land this in the living room of every kid who wants to game world wide, and literally crush the big 3 in sales.

What you’re saying doesn’t contradict that on Steam Machine you’re going to buy games from Valve only so it doesn’t matter you can, in theory, buy from somewhere else. The bigger your library grows, the less likely you are to start buying games in another ecosystem. Valve doesn’t care if you „jailbreak” with a web browser _for now_. They’re in for a long game and there was no better time than now because in the US they can get around tariffs by selling this console as a PC.

If it's priced well and idle power usage good, it can be a great home lab. Run all sorts of services on it. Host your own Google Drive/Docs/Photos alternatives with all the automated categorization like face detection sorting. Should be strong enough to run a lot of unrelated services off one machine. If I ever had gigabit internet, I'd probably try stuff like hosting a Matrix server. Self hosted RSS feed. Would be great for videos. RDNA3.5 has good AV1 and HEVC encoder and decode I believe. I think h.264 got solid with RDNA3.5. Good for video usually means good for photos too. Probably audio. Blender support for AMD graphics cards continue to improve and game engines have generally always been good. Great for a computer lab to teach something like Godot The compact media creation thing would be the big thing for me if I needed a computer and this was substantially cheaper than a Strix Halo minipc. Darktable, Kdenlive, Krita, Ardour, Godot, Blender