People seriously underestimate the performance that you can pull out a medium-level hardware with some highly-optimized OS. I mean, just watch what they were able to archive with the Deck.

...I might pick up the controller if it's not a hundred bucks.

> This is an illusion of an open system. Well that's certainly an...unusual position. > Steam obviously, there’s no competition. There's definitely competition. Is the competition great? Not really. But you can still buy and install games from Epic, Itch and GOG and run them on Steam hardware. It's just not as convenient. There's not really anything they can do about that. I hope one day soon someone makes a better frontend that supports other platforms better, and if they do, you'll be able to install it on Steam hardware, because that's what an open system means. Closed hardware looks Like PS5, XBOX and Switch. No browser. No desktop. No access to any files. No mods. No emulation. No third party stores AT ALL. And in fact if you try to do any of those things, they will remotely **brick** your device. > Then as your library grows you get more and more vendor locked. Not sure how you get there...

I'm sure being a handheld had nothing to do with it.

PC builders aren't interested in prebuilts. If this provides 90% of the experience of a prebuilt at 50% of the price, it makes sense. We don't know the actual percentages yet but you get the idea hopefully. My point was that many prebuilts are so shit, that it's easy to make a comparatively good product. I mean ffs some of them don't even run their CPUs and RAM at advertised speeds. Laptops are a completely different breed that this thing isn't gonna compete with, not at 800 bucks, not at 200.

Honestly, they could sell at a loss and still profit. Steam has the biggest selection of games bar none, they've built a culture of buying games too collect them with no intention of playing them, and they get a decent cut of every sale. If they thought of it as a 10 year plan they could sell this thing for $400, and undercut the entire rest of the condole scene, land this in the living room of every kid who wants to game world wide, and literally crush the big 3 in sales.

What you’re saying doesn’t contradict that on Steam Machine you’re going to buy games from Valve only so it doesn’t matter you can, in theory, buy from somewhere else. The bigger your library grows, the less likely you are to start buying games in another ecosystem. Valve doesn’t care if you „jailbreak” with a web browser _for now_. They’re in for a long game and there was no better time than now because in the US they can get around tariffs by selling this console as a PC.

If it's priced well and idle power usage good, it can be a great home lab. Run all sorts of services on it. Host your own Google Drive/Docs/Photos alternatives with all the automated categorization like face detection sorting. Should be strong enough to run a lot of unrelated services off one machine. If I ever had gigabit internet, I'd probably try stuff like hosting a Matrix server. Self hosted RSS feed. Would be great for videos. RDNA3.5 has good AV1 and HEVC encoder and decode I believe. I think h.264 got solid with RDNA3.5. Good for video usually means good for photos too. Probably audio. Blender support for AMD graphics cards continue to improve and game engines have generally always been good. Great for a computer lab to teach something like Godot The compact media creation thing would be the big thing for me if I needed a computer and this was substantially cheaper than a Strix Halo minipc. Darktable, Kdenlive, Krita, Ardour, Godot, Blender

In this context, "generic mini-PC" doesn't need to even be "non-gaming-PC", just not a platform for buying Valve's games; a [razor-and-blades](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razor_and_blades_model) model requires that you be the one selling the blades. If someone just goes and runs GOG games, that's already an issue for them. It's why cartridge inkjet printer manufacturers, who do use this model, try to make it so stupendously difficult to use ink from competitors.

The controller is going to be closer to $200

> What you’re saying doesn’t contradict that on Steam Machine you’re going to buy games from Valve only so it doesn’t matter that you can, in theory, buy from somewhere else. What you're saying is just false. I've owned a "Steam machine" for several years and regularly acquire and play games from other stores. Whether you buy games from Valve is entirely up to you. > The bigger your library grows, the less likely you are to start buying games in another ecosystem. No. That makes zero sense. > Valve doesn’t care if you „jailbreak” There is no jailbreaking. There's nothing to break. The system already allows you to do whatever you want. Just go into the menu and select "exit to desktop". > they can get around tariffs by selling this console as a PC. Why would you think PCs aren't impacted by tariffs?

>Where are you going to buy games for Steam Machine? Steam obviously, there’s no competition. Simply not true.

All of this is going to be based on the fluctuation of RAM prices and tariffs, as well as whether or not Valve has an existing stockpile of RAM from 6 months ago. FWIW, Sony just announced a Japan-only PS5, sans optical drive, for about $350. Now, US prices are remaining higher, but the GabeCube is likely to have less performance than a PS5. I can't see them going much over $600 and still having a value proposition. Even that is going to be based on the gigantic library of Steam games that can be played on it that aren't on the PS5.

I'm working on an ~$800-900 build for my little cousin with a Ryzen 7600X and a Radeon 7600 in an mATX mid-tower. According to the specs I've read, this is at or above the Steam Machine in both processing and graphics power. Socket AM5 motherboards are weirdly expensive in the ITX form factor; I bought an ITX AM4 motherboard for like $100 a few years ago, but like, Asrock isn't selling a B650M-ITX Pro RS, not in this hemisphere anyway. That and non-stupid ITX cases are difficult to find. A lot of the "it's a PC tower, but ITX size" like the Meshify Nano are being discontinued. So motherboard manufacturers think the ITX market is going for extreme high end, as if we need lots of PCIe lanes on motherboards that only fit one slot, and case manufacturers don't think heat sinks exist.

> Why would you think PCs aren't impacted by tariffs? Different rates for different products. I don’t follow US domestic politics but that closely but last I’ve heard computer parts, displays and smartphones are at least temporarily exempted while toys (that’s consoles too) are subject to highest tariff rates.

What is the competition on Linux? What’s their market share?

Hmm. It seems you're actually correct on that one. Although I think they might have a hard time arguing that it's "just a PC" when it launches straight into a dedicated gaming environment on boot.

They import Steam Decks as PCs currently. I’m pretty sure this is also a part of consideration regarding next gen Xbox.

They are using a modified arch distro with KDE, yeah it defaults to steam big picture on launch but that can be changed, specially on the GabeCube. It's a computer, a literal computer with all the capabilities and support systems of arch Linux with KDE. The amount of contributions they have done to the Linux gaming world to then use it in their consoles is insane. They didn't built it for themselves, they built it for everybody, then made it popular in their consoles so they get money back from increased sales on the games. They did sell the deck at a loss, but that was a new concept and people were weary, price needed to be good. Now people know that the idea works, the picture changes. I don't really care if they sell at a loss or no, I'm not buying one when I basically have the equivalent already at home, but saying that their plan is to corner consumers sounds like the other side of the lunacy spectrum as those that treat steam as religion.

GoG, epic, any other store really. Proton is made by valve but it works in whatever, and there are tools now to use proton (not wine, proton) outside of steam to get all the goodies you got on top. Heroic launcher does that for the games you get from the Amazon store, gog, epic, and any other exe you got. I even installed battle net, and once you open it everything you install from there works in that bubble and work, I played plenty HOTS games. I play modded D2 without much issues. You know why the steam market share in Linux is so high? Because they are the ones that put the work to make windows games work on Linux. Yes, wine existed before but they both adapted it for games and contributed to the overall wine project a ton. Also, iirc, steamdecks make up for 30% of the Linux machines from valve's yearly reports. The market is tremendously tiny yet.