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Are you ready for a $1,000 Steam Machine? Some analysts think you should be.

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  • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    You can launch any .exe through Steam using Proton... You don't even need to *buy* the games if that's your prerogative.
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    Just walk me through what prevents Valve from following Google’s footsteps in commoditising Linux only to lock it down like they are doing currently.
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      Just walk me through what prevents Valve from following Google’s footsteps in commoditising Linux only to lock it down like they are doing currently.
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      prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Linux and proton are open source, and their licenses allow literally anyone to fork it. GE-Proton already exists. How are they currently locking Linux down?
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      • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        Linux and proton are open source, and their licenses allow literally anyone to fork it. GE-Proton already exists. How are they currently locking Linux down?
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        Same could be said about Android. - [Google will require developer verification for Android apps outside the Play Store](https://techcrunch.com/2025/08/25/google-will-require-developer-verification-for-android-apps-outside-the-play-store/) - [Google is easing up on Android's new sideloading restrictions](https://www.androidauthority.com/android-power-users-install-unverified-apps-3615310/) (they will retry, long game)
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          Same could be said about Android. - [Google will require developer verification for Android apps outside the Play Store](https://techcrunch.com/2025/08/25/google-will-require-developer-verification-for-android-apps-outside-the-play-store/) - [Google is easing up on Android's new sideloading restrictions](https://www.androidauthority.com/android-power-users-install-unverified-apps-3615310/) (they will retry, long game)
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          prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          The same cannot be said about Android. I think you need to educate yourself on what Linux and FOSS actually is.
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          • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            The same cannot be said about Android. I think you need to educate yourself on what Linux and FOSS actually is.
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            I see AOSP was forgotten very quickly.
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              I see AOSP was forgotten very quickly.
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              prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              You're right, that's why there's countless mature Android distributions to choose from, and they're all free. Oh wait. I don't really know much about AOSP, but isn't the fact that it doesn't contain any of the proprietary Google stuff mean that the "sideloading" restrictions likely will not apply? How could it?
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                If they have no market share then that competition exists in theory only.
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                You're not seeing the forest for the trees. Just because other game distribution vectors lack market share does not mean there are no alternatives to Steam. People have options, but they overwhelmingly choose Steam based on the quality of their product and service. If others decide to improve those things or a particular game is better priced or contains more content on another service, the consumer is free to choose that distributor. Market share is completely irrelevant in this case.
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                • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  You're right, that's why there's countless mature Android distributions to choose from, and they're all free. Oh wait. I don't really know much about AOSP, but isn't the fact that it doesn't contain any of the proprietary Google stuff mean that the "sideloading" restrictions likely will not apply? How could it?
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                  So you don’t really know the story of Android, much of it very recent, but you’re going to argue that Valve is not following the same path. What a waste of time.
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                    You're not seeing the forest for the trees. Just because other game distribution vectors lack market share does not mean there are no alternatives to Steam. People have options, but they overwhelmingly choose Steam based on the quality of their product and service. If others decide to improve those things or a particular game is better priced or contains more content on another service, the consumer is free to choose that distributor. Market share is completely irrelevant in this case.
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                    Market share is very much relevant to determining if some company has a dominant position in that market. You people would be arguing that Internet Explorer 6 wasn’t a monopoly because Mozilla and Opera existed.
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                      So you don’t really know the story of Android, much of it very recent, but you’re going to argue that Valve is not following the same path. What a waste of time.
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                      Steam is a game distribution store, Steam machine and deck are console oriented machines. Linux as a whole has dominance in the server world, valve is touching the gaming side of desktop Linux. Desktop Linux is tiny compared to Windows. You are comparing it to a phone operating system in a world where they were two-ish, to a potential distro in a world where there are 12 or more, several of those widely used in servers. Be angry if you want but it's not the same.
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                        So you don’t really know the story of Android, much of it very recent, but you’re going to argue that Valve is not following the same path. What a waste of time.
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                        prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                        It's just not even comparable in any way, regardless of how you try to shoehorn it into your analogy. Android was not a mature, stable OS with hundreds of distributions, for several decades, before Android phones came along.
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                          Steam is a game distribution store, Steam machine and deck are console oriented machines. Linux as a whole has dominance in the server world, valve is touching the gaming side of desktop Linux. Desktop Linux is tiny compared to Windows. You are comparing it to a phone operating system in a world where they were two-ish, to a potential distro in a world where there are 12 or more, several of those widely used in servers. Be angry if you want but it's not the same.
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                          You did not address anything I’ve said really. I’m going to go with block because I value my time too much.
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                          • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                            It's just not even comparable in any way, regardless of how you try to shoehorn it into your analogy. Android was not a mature, stable OS with hundreds of distributions, for several decades, before Android phones came along.
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                            Please stop digging that hole because it’s getting embarrassing.
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                              Market share is very much relevant to determining if some company has a dominant position in that market. You people would be arguing that Internet Explorer 6 wasn’t a monopoly because Mozilla and Opera existed.
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                              Homie you're having a completely different argument than the rest of us. It's been explained to you like 3 different ways now. Not sure what else to tell you, so yeah. Believe what you want to believe, big dog.
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                                Please stop digging that hole because it’s getting embarrassing.
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                                Oh I'm wrong?
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                                  Oh I'm wrong?
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                                  First public release of Android was in 2008 but you’re talking about several decades. No billionaire is your friend. Please sober up.
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                                    Homie you're having a completely different argument than the rest of us. It's been explained to you like 3 different ways now. Not sure what else to tell you, so yeah. Believe what you want to believe, big dog.
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                                    How do you feel about Google requiring apps to be notarised by them to run? How do you feel about locked bootloaders? I outlined steps that are required to get there and where Valve is on that timeline.
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                                      The issue is that if you sell the PC at a loss, you're effectively subsidzing every person and business who wants an SFF-PC but may not necessarily buy games for them. It's not like the Steam Deck where you can bet the majority of those devices are ending up in the hands of gamers.
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                                      It doesn't come with windows. For a lot of businesses that is a requirement. The other thing valve has done is require you to have a steam account with purchases, and limit the number you can purchase on that account, before you buy a hardware device from them. This was to prevent scalping but also would prevent the scenario you present limiting sales to those that have already purchased games is a solid strategy for their new devices imo.
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                                        The title is a bit misleading, as the article lists diverging analysts’ opinions, ranging from Valve willing to sell at a loss or low margins, to high prices due to RAM and SSD price volatility. cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blackeco.com/post/2330473
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                                        i swear i read *somewhere* that they were shootin for around $400 for a base model
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                                          How do you feel about Google requiring apps to be notarised by them to run? How do you feel about locked bootloaders? I outlined steps that are required to get there and where Valve is on that timeline.
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                                          I feel like you're purposefully ignoring everything that's being said. I understand what you're saying, but it isn't applicable in this case. It's just a PC man. A Linux based PC. There's nothing mandatory about using steams services on the hardware, nor given the announced architecture, could they enforce such a requirement. Linux ≠ Android. One is open source, the other is not.
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