When you are filming police try not to talk to them.
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A Flock of Beagles @burnitdown@beige.party (🇲)
in Germany they can look up all the laws, rules and fees in an android app provided by the police union. oh, wait: you can do that. the app is a free download in play store.
@Life_is @futurebird that has nothing to do with the fact that cops often neither know nor care which law they are enforcing.
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@futurebird if the police are stressed out by a bystander, they should find a new career
Not to mention that the feds and cops with the hurt fee-fees are being VERY WELL PAID to do what they do. They have the strongest unions in the country. They get time and a half pay, ovetime pay, hazard pay. Excellent healthcare. Retirement plans at 55.
Meanwhile servers in my state, who put up with verbal, physical, and sexual abuse every day, make $2.33/hour plus tips, no benefits, no time off.
Suck it up, buttercups.
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Not to mention that the feds and cops with the hurt fee-fees are being VERY WELL PAID to do what they do. They have the strongest unions in the country. They get time and a half pay, ovetime pay, hazard pay. Excellent healthcare. Retirement plans at 55.
Meanwhile servers in my state, who put up with verbal, physical, and sexual abuse every day, make $2.33/hour plus tips, no benefits, no time off.
Suck it up, buttercups.
And how many ICE agents have fallen in the line of "duty"?
2025, must have been a lot, huh? What? NONE?
2024, one thug. Cancer. Wait, that's not...
2023. One thug. Cancer.
2020 - 2022, a bunch died. All COVID. How'd hat ivermectin work out, Agent Novax?
Oh wait, one thug took a bullet in 2021. Self-inflicted, accidental discharge.
Pizza delivery is FAR more dangerous than working for ICE.
ICE Fallen Officers
There are few more noble professions than service as a federal law enforcement officer.
(www.ice.gov)
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When you are filming police try not to talk to them. Avoid:
"Is it OK if I film?" (That isn't up to them.)
"Sorry officer." (You have done nothing wrong don't apologize.)Try things like.
"I am filming from a safe distance."If they start yelling at you focus on:
"Am I free to leave?"
Every time I've said this the officer has responded with "shut up" (ok??)
I'm happy to comply with *that* one and keep filming from a safe distance.@futurebird thank you for this, I feel that it’s still too easy for people (especially whites) to feel a need to be overly polite to the police and apologize for everything (granted people say sorry for no reason allready)
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"You are stressing the police out no wonder they overreact."
I've heard arguments along these lines far too often. It is true that having half a dozen people whip out there phone and start filming is stressful. But when that doesn't happen people are hurt and we never learn their names or what happened.
If you see someone filming police it's supportive and helpful to join them.
'If you film us killing people it might make us kill people.'
See, they've only ever killed people when someone happens to be filming. They are the Warner Brothers frog of not-murder.
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A Flock of Beagles @burnitdown@beige.party (🇲)
in Germany they can look up all the laws, rules and fees in an android app provided by the police union. oh, wait: you can do that. the app is a free download in play store.
wt... seriously????
US cops are not lawyers, there are millions of laws & knowing them is a real job
in the US, a prosecutor / DA/ SOME kind of lawyer decides if you should be charged & presents the case to a judge
current system is corrupt but i see no reason to believe letting cops charge people on the basis of something they read on an app from the play store would be less corrupt, it might even make corruption & frame up of innocents run faster
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"You are stressing the police out no wonder they overreact."
I've heard arguments along these lines far too often. It is true that having half a dozen people whip out there phone and start filming is stressful. But when that doesn't happen people are hurt and we never learn their names or what happened.
If you see someone filming police it's supportive and helpful to join them.
Police assaulting and killing people is the constant.
They didn’t just start because people were filming them.
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"You are stressing the police out no wonder they overreact."
I've heard arguments along these lines far too often. It is true that having half a dozen people whip out there phone and start filming is stressful. But when that doesn't happen people are hurt and we never learn their names or what happened.
If you see someone filming police it's supportive and helpful to join them.
@futurebird If you were righteous, you wouldn't worry about being filmed.
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When you are filming police try not to talk to them. Avoid:
"Is it OK if I film?" (That isn't up to them.)
"Sorry officer." (You have done nothing wrong don't apologize.)Try things like.
"I am filming from a safe distance."If they start yelling at you focus on:
"Am I free to leave?"
Every time I've said this the officer has responded with "shut up" (ok??)
I'm happy to comply with *that* one and keep filming from a safe distance.POINT OF INFORMATION: never talk to cops. especially as a citizen journalist.
set yourself at a safe distance and just film.
people who want to do this regularly, may want to set themselves up with a backpack on their chest to house their phone set up on a selfie stick.
if you are a cyclist, a GoPro on your helmet AND on your bike are good alternatives.
in #nyc in particular, it is best to have your hands free.
i should revive my old dos & donts list for indie journos.
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When you are filming police try not to talk to them. Avoid:
"Is it OK if I film?" (That isn't up to them.)
"Sorry officer." (You have done nothing wrong don't apologize.)Try things like.
"I am filming from a safe distance."If they start yelling at you focus on:
"Am I free to leave?"
Every time I've said this the officer has responded with "shut up" (ok??)
I'm happy to comply with *that* one and keep filming from a safe distance.@futurebird this is sound advice, and I thank you.
I was watching a soccer final last year where all the referees had shirts on that I apparently had a pocket on the inside for an iPhone with the back lens facing outward through their shirt. I'm not sure how they controlled the video recording, but it was effective. They were actually streaming so that people watching the game could see from their angles.
I've been thinking a lot about that lately because it would be an interesting way to film. Someone would really have to look directly at you and scan you to see that you had a lens on your chest or wherever.
My plan (since I don't carry my phone when I go to protests) is to have my GoPro affixed to my person somewhere. The drawback is, to get the footage, I have to take the SD card out and put it on my laptop at home.
I need to practice. I did that with my inflatable costume and the tech I had on me before I did the last big protest and it made a difference.
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POINT OF INFORMATION: never talk to cops. especially as a citizen journalist.
set yourself at a safe distance and just film.
people who want to do this regularly, may want to set themselves up with a backpack on their chest to house their phone set up on a selfie stick.
if you are a cyclist, a GoPro on your helmet AND on your bike are good alternatives.
in #nyc in particular, it is best to have your hands free.
i should revive my old dos & donts list for indie journos.
there are also cameras that sit inside LED bike lights (and just look like normal LED, although they might need gyro mount to avoid shaky footage is used /when/ cycling), and its also possible to buy discreet semi-covert bodycams (the middle aged dog walking women round my way often wear them, due to paranoia about angry men with angry dogs (to some extent justified, especially in remote areas)
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@futurebird if the police are stressed out by a bystander, they should find a new career
@ariadne Or take some mellowing drugs before going to work. Maybe a doctor should even make it mandatory when one's nervous disposition makes it impossible to do work without.
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wt... seriously????
US cops are not lawyers, there are millions of laws & knowing them is a real job
in the US, a prosecutor / DA/ SOME kind of lawyer decides if you should be charged & presents the case to a judge
current system is corrupt but i see no reason to believe letting cops charge people on the basis of something they read on an app from the play store would be less corrupt, it might even make corruption & frame up of innocents run faster
@peachfront Law enforcement on the ground in the US are also "mission" and assignment focused. They have a buffet of "charges" that they work under and once one is ticked off in their opinion, opinion being key word, regardless of how minor, they essentially have been ceded free reign to behave as they wish without consequence thanks to politicians, the unions and citizens that are ok with it until it happens to them.
Not to mention, historically, violence by cops, esp to white people, people of color is a different matter all together that is extremely cruel, is usually caused by responding officers and not the ones on the scene dealing with things.
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@futurebird If you were righteous, you wouldn't worry about being filmed.
@Wyatt_H_Knott "Do you have anything to hide from the camera?" @futurebird
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When you are filming police try not to talk to them. Avoid:
"Is it OK if I film?" (That isn't up to them.)
"Sorry officer." (You have done nothing wrong don't apologize.)Try things like.
"I am filming from a safe distance."If they start yelling at you focus on:
"Am I free to leave?"
Every time I've said this the officer has responded with "shut up" (ok??)
I'm happy to comply with *that* one and keep filming from a safe distance.@futurebird (a truly safe distance would be out of the range of the given cop’s murder weapon, but i figure in many cases being that far is a luxury if a possibility at all)
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POINT OF INFORMATION: never talk to cops. especially as a citizen journalist.
set yourself at a safe distance and just film.
people who want to do this regularly, may want to set themselves up with a backpack on their chest to house their phone set up on a selfie stick.
if you are a cyclist, a GoPro on your helmet AND on your bike are good alternatives.
in #nyc in particular, it is best to have your hands free.
i should revive my old dos & donts list for indie journos.
@blogdiva @futurebird I guess this would be a good use for those freaky glasses with cameras built in.
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"Am I free to leave?" *will* mark you out as an "annoying do-gooder who doesn't like police"
But this could be an improvement on seeming like someone they could trick or trip up more easily.
Prepare to be ignored. Police will try to provoke you so they can arrest you or stop you from filming. Police will hit you unprovoked or try to knock your phone away.
Don't waste time "reasoning" with them. Just get the video so more people can see what they are doing.
@futurebird
From ACLU/Women's March Video last week:Try to film from out of reach. At least be sure someone else out of reach is also filming.
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"You are stressing the police out no wonder they overreact."
I've heard arguments along these lines far too often. It is true that having half a dozen people whip out there phone and start filming is stressful. But when that doesn't happen people are hurt and we never learn their names or what happened.
If you see someone filming police it's supportive and helpful to join them.
So a really sweet escalation I haven't see anyone try (doesn't mean they aren't) is to swarm the sky with camera drones, too - in addition to the on the ground legal observers.
They can travel faster than ICE, and you could attach them to vehicles as the vehicles leave the ICE facilities.
Also, having 10-20 buzzing quad-copters with their beady little eyes on you sounds terrifying.
Who's watching? What can I do about it?
Nothing, bitch. Nothing.
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So a really sweet escalation I haven't see anyone try (doesn't mean they aren't) is to swarm the sky with camera drones, too - in addition to the on the ground legal observers.
They can travel faster than ICE, and you could attach them to vehicles as the vehicles leave the ICE facilities.
Also, having 10-20 buzzing quad-copters with their beady little eyes on you sounds terrifying.
Who's watching? What can I do about it?
Nothing, bitch. Nothing.
@futurebird @johnzajac In some countries drones are not allowed in populated area. i can understand why.
Except for cops, *they* are allowed to use drones even over a crowd. In spite of sole accidents that has occured already. Go figure.
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When you are filming police try not to talk to them. Avoid:
"Is it OK if I film?" (That isn't up to them.)
"Sorry officer." (You have done nothing wrong don't apologize.)Try things like.
"I am filming from a safe distance."If they start yelling at you focus on:
"Am I free to leave?"
Every time I've said this the officer has responded with "shut up" (ok??)
I'm happy to comply with *that* one and keep filming from a safe distance.@futurebird Is there an app which can film and at the same time stream the video to a server in realtime ?
If you phone is taken from you , or even broken ( often donne by the cops , just to piss people off and demotivate others), at least the video as proof is safe
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