Aaaaah this game was amazing, can't wait to download it again to play the new update

In my honest opinion as someone that had played and enjoyed both games, they both deserved the awards in their own ways. I think Kingdom Come is definitely a better RPG in general, but at the same time E33 is an amazing game that is an RPG. It's semantics at this point and I think it's more of a lack of categories. RPG is such a loose term these days that I feel like it should be sub-divided into a few more. Lumping games together and comparing games that are vastly different based solely on a loose term like RPG is disingenuous.

I'm so happy for them, the emotions this game brought to me were absolutely unique, its approach on grief was so beautiful. And can't forget the music that I keep humming for the last months...

And get rid of its predators... I'm always so sad to see my friends working in the game industry so exploited, fired without a thought, all to benefit greedy executives who never played a single game in their lives...

Couldn't agree more. E33 isn't a RPG in the classical sense but has certain RPG elements. Don't get me wrong, it is, as far is I've played, a great game in it's own right, but imo it didn't deserve to win in the RPG category and maybe not even storytelling.

That’s Clair

That's because Clair Obscur is directly influenced by the JRPG genre which is why it feels almost like not a RPG compared to something that is a western RPG like KC:D2. But I agree, the term RPG is way overloaded and it needs a more stricter set of rules to define what a RPG is. But it's been that way for almost a decade at this point and I no longer care to split hairs about it, I just laugh when Monster Hunter gets nominated as an RPG because in my mind I would never consider it a RPG.

Game awards are ridiculous, but I will _never_ forget Expedition 33. It deserves all the accolades it has earned and achieved.

If you had ever seen the Game Awards before, this isn't exactly surprising. It was not only good, but *weird* and *unique.* It was always going to sweep the show because that's exactly the kind of game the judges of it have favored every single year.

Some people need to hate to fill the emptiness they feel inside. Gamers sometimes like to act as though they're better than most by not watching reality tv or some shit but they're really no different in engaging in pointless drama. I remember seeing trailers for when the Wii or Switch were both coming out and expecting people to be excited and I saw gamers shiting on Nintendo like hell. I'm like, damn man, no one is forcing you to buy it ... Also, Expedition 33 is a game that transcends its medium. It deserves all the positivity it's getting.

For what it's worth most people are more mad that E33 won best indie and best debut indie. It's not an indie game, many people have said as much and it's completely unfair that they won in categories meant for small budget games by small teams. Totally deserved in other categories, but that does leave a bad taste in my mouth.

I've only seen bitching about it not being an indie and taking those awards. They hired out a small army.

That's pretty much where I'm at too. Though the "Indie Award" has always had similar problems before, such as the **Dave the Diver** debacle. But even though you could technically argue E33 is an indie it felt really wrong to have it up against something like **Blue Prince** in the indie categories. E33 had a huge budget with A-list actors ffs.

I guess I'm confused because I didn't know that "low budget" was now synonymous with "indie." They are an indie dev that made their first game yet their game doesn't count as "indie" because they had a budget? What about a game like No Man's Sky? They were an indie dev that got promoted by Sony and everyone kinda forgot they weren't a massive company and trashed the game when it came out. In my opinion, that seems even less fair. I'm not saying they deserved the award more than any other game, I enjoyed all the games nominated, I'm just saying that if E33 flopped I highly doubt anyone would call them more than an indie dev that bit off more then they could chew like No Man's Sky.

> I guess I’m confused because I didn’t know that “low budget” was now synonymous with “indie.” There aren't any hard rules of what an indie game is, and TGA don't set any because they don't take their jobs seriously, but it's usually accepted that indie = small teams, small budget. Otherwise, technically games like Cyberpunk 2077 are "indie" because they're self-published, while games published by Devolver Digital are technically not indie because they have a publisher despite the games being made on a tiny budget and occasionally created by only one person. Expedition 33 had a huge budget compared to other games in its category, and much more developers. They had mo-cap, they had popular voice actors, and they had tons of contract workers overseas. It's not fair to put it up against games that didn't have any of that. E33 is what the industry refers to as a AA game. Mid-sized budget, mid-sized team. As opposed to AAA, massive budgets with massive teams. > What about No Man's Sky No Man's Sky (on release) is *way* smaller in scope than E33. It was made by around a dozen developers only, and they actually self-published it which makes it much more "indie".

I am sad now that I'm not into this dark fantasy stuff.

> executives who never played a single game in their lives... Makes me think of Gaben who is a Dota2 nerd.

> Holy shit the hate E33 is getting is completely ridiculous, as Reddit does. Whether you go to the Silksong, KCD2, Death Stranding, Dispatch, Arc Raiders, or any other games subreddit that was nominated for any award about half the comments saying E33 is trash, overhyped, and their game deserved to win instead. This is why I don’t care anymore about what other people think and check the communities of games. I just hope the game, I like the most wins. If it happens, great! If it does not, sad but that’s okay. That’s life. I went over to Reddit so I could keep track if the game awards because I didn't have time to actually watch it. Holy shit the hate E33 is getting is completely ridiculous, as Reddit does. Whether you go to the Silksong, KCD2, Death Stranding, Dispatch, Arc Raiders, or any other games subreddit that was nominated for any award about half the comments saying E33 is trash, overhyped, and their game deserved to win instead. As someone that has enjoyed all of these games, the salt is absolutely bonkers. Most of the ones complaining are basically saying "I never played it but I heard they did [blank] so they don't deserve [blank] award." > I just don't get why they need to shit on other people and the games they like just because their game didn't win. Because it is the internet and nowadays people only think about themselves. “I like this game, I want and need this game to win”. The internet allows people to be sort of anonymous and that brings the worst out of people (because more often than not, there’s no consequences of the actions when it is written anonymously).

E33 was the surprise of the year for me. It came from nowhere.

So a successfully crowdfunding campaign could make a game not indie anymore? "Indie" means "independent", which means there is no publisher or investor that could influence creative decisions in the service of profits. (As CDPR is publicly traded and does answer to investors, Cyberpunk would not qualify.) If you want a low budget award, call it low budget award and define a threshold for said budget.