Making porn of actual people without their consent regardless of age is not a thought crime. For children, that's obviously fucked up. For adults it's directly impacting their reputation. It's not a victimless crime. But generating images of adults that don't exist? Or even clearly drawn images that aren't even realistic? I've seen a lot of people (from both sides of the political spectrum) advocate that these should be illegal if the content is what they consider icky. Like let's take bestiality for example. Obviously gross and definitely illegal in real life. But should a cartoon drawing of the act really be illegal? No one was abused. No reputation was damaged. No illegal act took place. It was simply someone's fucked up fantasy. Yet lots of people want to make that into a thought crime. I've always thought that if there isn't speech out there that makes you feel icky or gross then you don't really have free speech at all. The way you keep free speech as a right necessarily requires you to sometimes fight for the right of others to say or draw or write stuff that you vehemently disagree with, but recognize as not actually causing harm to a real person.

That is a lot of text for someone that couldn’t even be bothered to read a comment properly.

>That is a lot of text for someone that couldn’t even be bothered to read the first paragraph of the article. > >>Grok has the ability to take photos of real people, including minors, and produce images of them undressed or in otherwise sexually compromising positions, flooding the site with such content. > >There ARE victims, lots of them. You're only rewording what I said in the third paragraph, while implying I said the opposite. And bullshitting/assuming/lying I didn't read the text. (I did.) Learn to read dammit. I'm saying this shit Grok is doing is harmful, and that people ITT arguing "is this CSAM?" are missing the bloody point. Is this clear now?

It sounds like he's simply a Trumptard, brainwashed with their koolaid of doom. And again I'm glad I never signed up for Epic.

More like Tim NotEpic.

>The real thing to talk about is the presence or absence of a victim.

Yes, it certainly comes across as you arguing for the opposite since you above, reiterated >The real thing to talk about is the presence or absence of a victim. Which has never been an issue. It has never mattered in CSAM if it's fictional or not. It's the depiction that is illegal.

He wants to see loads of AI generated porn of himself...

Tim Sweeny is a jackass.

I hate that the newest Unreal Tournament just kinda... Disappeared. I mean, it's still playable I think, just not online and aside from a week or so after it launched, I ain't ever heard anyone talking about it. It was *okay...* Balance was not quite there, and it only had 2 maps when I last played it. But it had potential.

Yeah. I’m as tired of the argument that pretty much anything goes as far as free speech goes as I am of the “everything is a slippery slope when we make laws to keep people from doing harmful shit.” I mean what’s the required damage before people put a stop to inciteful speech and objectively harmful lies? Germany had to kill a few million people before they decided that maybe displaying Nazi symbols and speech wasn’t a good idea. So we have a platform being used to make CSAM. There should be immediate action to end the means to do so, but these tools make up all kinds of reasons why we can’t do that…economic, censorship, whatever.

Which they then talk about and point out that victims are absolutely present in this case... If this is still too hard to understand i will simplify the sentence. They are saying: "The important thing to talk about is, whether there is a victim or not."

Tim EpicFail.

It had so much potential, it looked beautiful and just needed polish and some maps made for it. Could have sold it for $10-$20 easy

We all live in a two tier justice system. The one tier is for the capital class. Generally, as long as they don't commit crimes against the government or others in the capital class. These offenders get the slap on the wrist justice system. The Government had enough evidence between witnesses and documentary evidence from the Epstein files to atleast open investigations and charge some of the people. The only people to be arrested and charged were Epstein and Maxwell. It took a long time before either of them faced any serious consequences for their actions. Everyone else gets the go fuck yourself justice system.

That doesn't stop everyone from directly calling elon musk a pedophile for creating a CP generating machine.

Tim Sweeney is a nonce.

Drawings are one conversation I won't get into. GenAI is vastly different though. Those are known to sometimes regurgitate people or things from their dataset, (mostly) unaltered. Like how you can get Copilot to spit out valid secrets that people accidentally committed by typing `NPM_KEY=`. You can't have any guarantee that if you ask it to generate a picture of a person, that person does not actually exist.

It doesn't matter if there's a victim or not. It's the depiction of CSA that is illegal. So no, talking about whatever or not there's a victim is not the most important part. It doesn't matter if you draw it by hand with crayons. If it's depicting CSA it's illegal.

I'm saying it can't combine clothed children and naked adults to make naked children. It doesn't know what "naked" means. It can't imagine what something might look like. It can only make naked children if it has been trained on them directly.