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A forum for discussing and organizing recreational softball and baseball games and leagues in the greater Halifax area.

Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney argues banning Twitter over its ability to AI-generate pornographic images of minors is just 'gatekeepers' attempting to 'censor all of their political opponents'

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    It's too hard to tell real CSAM from AI-generated CSAM. Safest to treat it all as CSAM.
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    mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    You can insist every frame of Bart Simspon's dick in The Simpsons Movie should be *as illegal as* photographic evidence of child rape, but that does not make them the same thing. The *entire point* of the term CSAM is that it's the actual real evidence of child rape. It is nonsensical to use the term for any other purpose.
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      skullgrid@lemmy.world
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      Bro should have stopped after UE3 and fucked off forever
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      • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
        There cannot be material from the sexual abuse of a child if that sexual abuse did not fucking happen. The term does not mean 'shit what looks like it could be from the abuse of some child I guess.' It means, state's evidence of actual crimes.
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        deranger@sh.itjust.works
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        CSAM is abusive material of a sexual nature of a child. Generated or real, both fit this definition.
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        • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
          You can insist every frame of Bart Simspon's dick in The Simpsons Movie should be *as illegal as* photographic evidence of child rape, but that does not make them the same thing. The *entire point* of the term CSAM is that it's the actual real evidence of child rape. It is nonsensical to use the term for any other purpose.
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          deranger@sh.itjust.works
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          >The entire point of the term CSAM is that it's the actual real evidence of child rape. No it isn’t.
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          • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
            You can insist every frame of Bart Simspon's dick in The Simpsons Movie should be *as illegal as* photographic evidence of child rape, but that does not make them the same thing. The *entire point* of the term CSAM is that it's the actual real evidence of child rape. It is nonsensical to use the term for any other purpose.
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            deranger@sh.itjust.works
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            >The \*entire point\* of the term CSAM is that it's the actual real evidence of child rape. You are completely wrong. https://rainn.org/get-the-facts-about-csam-child-sexual-abuse-material/what-is-csam/ “Child sexual abuse material (CSAM) is not “child pornography.” It’s evidence of child sexual abuse—and it’s a crime to create, distribute, or possess. CSAM includes both real and synthetic content, such as images created with artificial intelligence tools.”
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            • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
              You can insist every frame of Bart Simspon's dick in The Simpsons Movie should be *as illegal as* photographic evidence of child rape, but that does not make them the same thing. The *entire point* of the term CSAM is that it's the actual real evidence of child rape. It is nonsensical to use the term for any other purpose.
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              > Child pornography (CP), also known as child sexual abuse material (CSAM) and by more informal terms such as kiddie porn, is erotic material that involves or **depicts** persons under the designated age of majority. [...] > Laws regarding child pornography generally include sexual images involving prepubescents, pubescent, or post-pubescent minors and **computer-generated images** that appear to involve them. (Emphasis mine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography
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                > Child pornography (CP), also known as child sexual abuse material (CSAM) and by more informal terms such as kiddie porn, is erotic material that involves or **depicts** persons under the designated age of majority. [...] > Laws regarding child pornography generally include sexual images involving prepubescents, pubescent, or post-pubescent minors and **computer-generated images** that appear to involve them. (Emphasis mine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography
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                mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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                'These several things are illegal, including the real thing and several made-up things.' Please stop misusing the term that explicitly refers to the the real thing. 'No.'
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                  >The \*entire point\* of the term CSAM is that it's the actual real evidence of child rape. You are completely wrong. https://rainn.org/get-the-facts-about-csam-child-sexual-abuse-material/what-is-csam/ “Child sexual abuse material (CSAM) is not “child pornography.” It’s evidence of child sexual abuse—and it’s a crime to create, distribute, or possess. CSAM includes both real and synthetic content, such as images created with artificial intelligence tools.”
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                  mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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                  RAINN has completely lost the plot by conflating the explicit term for Literal Photographic Evidence Of An Event Where A Child Was Raped with made-up bullshit.
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                    I am going to be an absolute crank about this: CSAM means photographic evidence of child rape. If that event did not happen, say something else. The *entire point* of this term is to distinguish the go-to-jail imagery stemming from unambiguous crimes, versus any form of made-up nonsense. Bart Simpson is not eligible. Bart Simpson does not exist. Photorealistic depictions of real children can be hyper illegal, but unless they are *real,* they're not CSAM. Say something else. Otherwise we'll have to invent some even less ambiguous term from *evidence of child abuse,* and the fuckers downvoting this comment will also misappropriate that, to talk about shit that does not qualify.
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                    From the article: > The Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network (RAINN) defines child sexual abuse material (CSAM) as "evidence of child sexual abuse" that "includes both real and synthetic content, such as images created with artificial intelligence tools."
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                      From the article: > The Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network (RAINN) defines child sexual abuse material (CSAM) as "evidence of child sexual abuse" that "includes both real and synthetic content, such as images created with artificial intelligence tools."
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                      mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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                      They're wrong. As evidenced by *what those words mean.*
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                      • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
                        RAINN has completely lost the plot by conflating the explicit term for Literal Photographic Evidence Of An Event Where A Child Was Raped with made-up bullshit.
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                        deranger@sh.itjust.works
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                        Dude, you’re the only one who uses that strict definition. Go nuts with your course of prescriptivism but I’m pretty sure it’s a lost cause.
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                          CSAM is abusive material of a sexual nature of a child. Generated or real, both fit this definition.
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                          mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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                          CSAM is material.... from the sexual abuse... of a child. Fiction does not count.
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                          • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
                            There cannot be material from the sexual abuse of a child if that sexual abuse did not fucking happen. The term does not mean 'shit what looks like it could be from the abuse of some child I guess.' It means, state's evidence of actual crimes.
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                            It is sexual abuse even by your definition if photos of real children get sexualised by AI and land on xitter. And afaik know that is what's happened. These kids did not consent to have their likeness sexualised.
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                              It is sexual abuse even by your definition if photos of real children get sexualised by AI and land on xitter. And afaik know that is what's happened. These kids did not consent to have their likeness sexualised.
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                              mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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                              Nothing done to your *likeness* is a thing that happened *to you.* Do you people not understand reality is different from fiction?
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                                Nothing done to your *likeness* is a thing that happened *to you.* Do you people not understand reality is different from fiction?
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                                My likeness posted for the world to see in a way i did not consent to is a thing done to me
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                                • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
                                  CSAM is material.... from the sexual abuse... of a child. Fiction does not count.
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                                  deranger@sh.itjust.works
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                                  You’re the only one using that definition.
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                                  • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
                                    CSAM is material.... from the sexual abuse... of a child. Fiction does not count.
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                                    How do you think a child would feel after having a pornographic image generated of them and then published on the internet? Looks like sexual abuse to me.
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                                      My likeness posted for the world to see in a way i did not consent to is a thing done to me
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                                      mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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                                      Your likeness depicted on the moon does not mean you went to the moon.
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                                      • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
                                        What, taking *child abuse* seriously?
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                                        Isn't it abuse if i take a picture of a girl, let grok remove the clothes and post this online?
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                                        • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
                                          Your likeness depicted on the moon does not mean you went to the moon.
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                                          Your kindness modified naked being fucked, printed out and stapled to a tree in your neighborhood is ok then?
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