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A forum for discussing and organizing recreational softball and baseball games and leagues in the greater Halifax area.

Stop Killing Games has exceeded 1.3 million signatures!

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    Are ID Documents numbers validated on submit if you fill the form instead of using eID? Some countries don't even have an eID option, and Finland and Ireland don't even ask for document id.
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    iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
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    I do not know, I cannot sign the petition and just working with the info on the site.
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      There probably isn't a central database to verify against so the solution would be to come up distributed system where each country implements its own verification process and then implements a standardized messaging structure that all countries would have to use. It would be a significant development effort to make something like that and it probably wouldn't pay off to if it was made just for citizens initiative. Considering in the last 5 years there has been only 4 (5 if we also count SKG) initiatives that have passed 1 mil it's probably cheaper to collect all the signatures and then have each country verify the dataset that relates to their country.
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      I mean countries **should** have such systems in place. It would make a lot of things easier.
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        I mean countries **should** have such systems in place. It would make a lot of things easier.
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        Countries probably have something in place that would easily verify a person but it would still take extra effort to make that something work with the system is managing the initiative counting. It's simply cheaper to collect all the votes and then do the verification rather than develop integration to verify in real time.
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          Who is "Ross"?
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          Creator of Freeman's Mind, Civil Protection, Ross' Game Dungeon, and Dead Game News. Generally short humerous videos focused on video games and the industry. [Accursed Farms](https://www.accursedfarms.com/) is his website with all his content. He started the Stop Killing Games movement.
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            I'm actually going to remove my downvote and reserve judgement until a response. What games do you play, and what games do you think this movement is targeting?
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            Thankee-sai for your generous and condescending offer! But please, downvote. Games I can install and run without ever establishing an internet connection.
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              If you're gonna be a troll you can at least be good at it.
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              It’s every other day now, without any real milestones, just some progress.
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                Thankee-sai for your generous and condescending offer! But please, downvote. Games I can install and run without ever establishing an internet connection.
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                You misunderstand me. It wasn't out of consideration for you; it's just a vote. I just want to remind myself that the person I want to be doesn't make snap judgements on half of a hot take. There hasn't been enough substance to affect me. You don't have to answer my original question, but I am still curious. >It‘s not about games that never need an internet connection That is half correct. The big point is for games that are singleplayer that you pay up front for that require a internet connection for no good reason.
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                  You misunderstand me. It wasn't out of consideration for you; it's just a vote. I just want to remind myself that the person I want to be doesn't make snap judgements on half of a hot take. There hasn't been enough substance to affect me. You don't have to answer my original question, but I am still curious. >It‘s not about games that never need an internet connection That is half correct. The big point is for games that are singleplayer that you pay up front for that require a internet connection for no good reason.
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                  How is that half correct? A game that requires an internet connection for no good reason is still a game that requires one, no?
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                    How is that half correct? A game that requires an internet connection for no good reason is still a game that requires one, no?
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                    Well, it requires one because the producer said so, not because the game can't function otherwise. That's what makes it half-correct. Having the "server" locally hosted on your device would fix it, but they just let it die without allowing those who purchased the game to be capable of playing it. That's the big push behind this movement, not online only multiplayer games. Everyone knows those die eventually.
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                      No, no no. You have to input your name, address, and various ways of establishing your EU member state, such as an EU electronic visa/id, or your specific EU state drivers liscence or tax id or some such, and the form makes it very obvious you must actually be an EU citizen. Examples: Poland ![](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/00d8da4d-d42b-402d-84b5-f6dc7d313a94.webp) Portugal ![](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/efc74fbe-07ba-40b2-bbc8-c0510f637199.webp) Estonia ![](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/dd798731-98bf-4ec4-93c3-e35af2979800.webp) Its possible there could be spam or accidental/malformed inputs... but if you are putting fake info into an official government portal, especially en masse, thats potentially a number of crimes, and if its a genuine mistake from an EU citizen, it seems like there is a review process where people will be contacted and allowed to fix up their info. Also, technically, there are a few countries with more lax submission requirements, such as the Netherlands, likely due to more intense personal privacy laws... but its not like this system is not logging people's IPs, not like they won't be taking that into acount. This isn't a change.org petition, its an official EU government portal for a core process of democracy. Knowingly falsifying info on this is again, potentially a large number of crimes, as if you say lied on voting registration, or lied to Social Security or your US state's unemployment assistance system.
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                      sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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                      I wouldn't put it past American gamers to make stuff up.
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                        I feel kinda helpless as an American watching the petition grow. I wonder what would happen if an American petition got big, would corporate America kill it? Would it get traction? Idk...
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                        sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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                        That's not really a thing here, the closest is a state level ballot initiative, which is supposed to be legally binding, but legislatures ignore/heavily modify them all the time.
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                          Just logged in via CSAM, didn't need to take out my eID or enter INSZ.
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                          finally, a non invasive ID just upload child pornography
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                            Link for those who've yet to see it/sign the petition: https://www.stopkillinggames.com/
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                            This has the same chance of moving the needle as petitioning congress to lower their salaries. The industry doesn’t give a shit if you don’t like what they’re doing. They know damn well you’ll keep shoveling money into their banks regardless of what they do. It’s the same shit YouTube is doing. No matter what end-user insulting, batshit insane decision they make, everyone will continue to use their product and do all their advert for them. Be sure to like and share this!
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                              This has the same chance of moving the needle as petitioning congress to lower their salaries. The industry doesn’t give a shit if you don’t like what they’re doing. They know damn well you’ll keep shoveling money into their banks regardless of what they do. It’s the same shit YouTube is doing. No matter what end-user insulting, batshit insane decision they make, everyone will continue to use their product and do all their advert for them. Be sure to like and share this!
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                              Kind of true, but the EU is not America, so don't apply the same standards. In the US it's extremely difficult to find a single politician that is not a completely corrupt criminal. The EU, on the other hand, is filled with a lot of politicians that also prioritize their positions and comfortable lives, but at least generally have somewhat positive intentions. As for the European Citizens' Initiatives - they are very serious and usually result in actual legislation. Of course, there's no guarantee that this specific petition will lead to consumer protections. The only guarantee is that the European Comission will consider and talk about this. Afterwards, they'll negotiate with the lobbies and sometime later we - citizens of the EU - will get to write public feedback about the Comission's proposals in a post on their website, that may or may not be taken into consideration. Overall it's still a fairly corrupt, far from ideally functioning system, but it's nowhere near the level of rot that the US is throwing out on full display. Despite the MEPs primarily looking out for their own best interests, we regularly receive more and more laws that benefit regular folk and not corporations. Meanwhile the last time the US has seen any real pro-people change was what, 40 years ago? The EU may be far from perfect, but please do not put it on the same shelf as America. There's no comparison to be made.
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