You’re not going to be shunned or ridiculed for using an AI helper when coding. It’s not appropriate for use in a game jam generally, but that’s not the same as being shunned or ridiculed. Like if you go into a big weightlifting gym, there will be people there on various chemical substances that augment your bodies natural abilities. These people aren’t going to be shunned or ridiculed from the weightlifting community just because they’re not 100% natural. But that doesn’t mean they’re going to be allowed into most competitions and they understand that. I’m sure if you look hard enough you’ll even find some that allow the use of AI as long as you disclose what it is you use and how.

This feels discouraging as someone who struggled with learning programming for a very long time and only with the aid of copilot have I finally crossed the hurdles I was facing and felt like I was actually learning and progressing again. Yes I’m still interacting with and manually adjusting and even writing sections of code. But a lot of what copilot does for me is interpret my natural language understanding of how I want to manipulate the data and translating it into actual code which I then work with and combine with the rest of the project. But I’ve stopped looking to join any game jams because it seems even when they don’t have an explicit ban against all AI, the sentiment I get is that people feel like it’s cheating and look down on someone in my situation. I get that submitting ai slop whole sale is just garbage. But it feels like putting these blanket ‘no ai content’ stamps and badges on things excludes a lot of people. Is this slop? https://lemjukes.itch.io/ascii-farmer-alpha https://github.com/LemJukes/ASCII-Farmer Like I know it isn’t _good_ code but I’m entirely self taught and it seems to work(and more importantly I mostly understand how it works) so what’s the fucking difference? How am I supposed to learn without iterating? If anyone human wants to look at my code and tell me why it’s shit, that’d actually be really helpful and I’d genuinely be thankful.

I'm not quite sure I'm following. Are you saying that AI trained on the output of humans is unethical, unless those humans are programmers? Or, as a professional programmer, you understand the limitations of AI in your field so you don't feel threatened by it while simultaneously assuming, on behalf of another profession, that AI in "artistic" fields is somehow far more capable and an actual threat? Terrible programmers don't become professional programmers because they subscribe to Copilot. It provides a crutch to absolute beginners, allowing even the least skilled individual to create some low quality output. For professionals, AI allows for some aspects of existing tools to perform slightly better but cannot replace the knowledge, experience and practice of a human when it comes to applying those skills in novel and interesting ways. Terrible artists don't become professional artists because they subscribe to Midjourney. It provides a crutch to absolute beginners, allowing even the least skilled individual to create some low quality output. For professionals, AI allows for some aspects of existing tools to perform slightly better but cannot replace the knowledge, experience and practice of a human when it comes to applying those skills in novel and interesting ways.

A very few bad games will put that badge, and in a few months no one would ever remember like. Like any other ridiculous anti-AI campaign. You can quote me on July.

Also, screw the independent developer who doesn't have artists to lay off nor the budget to hire them. If they want to make a game then they should spend decades learning to program and decades learning to create art and decades learning to create music. If they use AI to make code or assets then it completely invalidates their work and the fun that I'm having with their game is just fake fun. The only Real Games are those made by giant corporations with the capital to hire artists, programmers and musicians that can lovingly hand craft the loot boxes for the next major children's casino.

This 80s metal band is making real music without synthesizers!

> dry sarcasm. I only come to Lemmy to post dry sarcasm without a /s because I'm a rebel