The bubble might burst, but there are real use cases for AI out there and therefore you will see AI in use even after the current ponzi scheme has collapsed. You can do great voice and handwriting recognition now and speech generation and that won't go away.

Yes, the software will get there long before many people's hearts and minds. As you said already is in many cases. The inertia Nvidia got by being early is why they're so dominant now. But I think Nvidia's focus on crypto and now data center AI is set to hurt them long term. Only time will tell, and they're technically swimming in it ATM. But I'm getting out now.

For real! I can't wait for Black Cocks 27: Call for Booty.

A 5080 will play everything at max on either OS so something else is happening here

OP has a 60Hz monitor Friend has a 240Hz monitor and can’t enjoy a game unless it says 240 in the corner /s

That didn't happen in a vacuum. For a lot of us we do more than game. And there legitimately wasn't an alternative till much more recently. For instance, for Over a decade. If you were rendering out, a hardware accelerated video through Premiere. It was likely with an Nvidia card. Raytracing, Nvidia has been king at that since long before the 2000 series. It's changing slowly. Thank goodness. I'm more than happy to be able to ditch Nvidia myself.

yes but the ridiculously heightened demand won't be there

Nvidia has drivers for arm. They're not in as good a shape as the X86 one is. But I don't think it's that big of a roadblock.

or lack of use? the current trend is fueled by hype that AI can do everything and will sub 50% of the work force, another nightmare scenario… however, current AI may be an Ok tool for some jobs and not much more, dsthe world does not need 200 Gwatts of AI datacentres to produce memes

CUDA is actually pretty cool, especially in the early days when there was nothing like it. And Intel/AMD attempts at alternatives have been as mixed as their corporate dysfunction. And Nvidia has long has a focus on other spaces, like VR, AR, dataset generation, augmented reality and stuff. If every single LLM thing disappeared overnight in a puff of smoke, they’d be fine. It that I’m an apologist for them being total jerks, but I don’t want to act like CUDA isn’t useful, either.

There are other publishers besides EA out there. Literally nobody is making you buy garbage other than you.

I was watching him stream Space Engineers 2 (which admittedly an alpha) at 15-30 fps. It runs 60+ on an RX 7900xtx.

I think "lot" is probably overstating but I don't have numbers. I don't know too much about ray tracing but I do know AMD is bad at it. But in the context of games I grew up with perfect dark. I can handle imperfect reflections and shadows. Really anyone can, but when you're shopping for things you tend to get caught up in wanting the best shiny new hotness and if you ignore the impacts of your choices and have infinite money, Nvidia is the clear winner. We just have now reached the inevitable outcome of that path.

PC gaming itself will hardly change, because AMD cards work just fucking fine. They've only ever been a little bit behind on the high end. They've routinely been the better value for money, and offered a much lower low end. If they don't have to keep chasing the incomparable advantages Nvidia pulls out of their ass, maybe they can finally get serious about heterogenous compute. Or hey, maybe Nvidia ditching us would mean AMD finds the testicular fortitude to *clone CUDA already,* so we can end this farce of proprietary computation for your own god-damn code. Making any PC component single-vendor should've seen Nvidia chopped in half, long before this stupid bubble. Meanwhile: Cloud gaming isn't real. Anywhere after 1977, the idea that consumers would buy half a computer and phone in to a mainframe was a joke. The up-front savings were negligible and difference in capabilities did not matter. All you missed out on were your dungeon-crawlers being multiplayer, and mainframe operators kept trying to delete those programs anyway. Once home internet became commonplace even that difference vanished. As desktop prices rose and video encoding sped up, people kept selling the idea you'll buy a dumb screen and pay to play games somewhere else. You could even use your phone! Well... nowadays your phone can run Unreal 5. And a PS5 costs as much as my dirt-cheap eMachines from the AOL era, *before* inflation. That console will do raytracing, except games don't use it much, because it doesn't actually look better than how hard we've cheated with rasterization. So what the fuck is a datacenter going to offer, with 50ms of lag and compression artifacts? Who expects it's going to be cheaper, as we all juggle five subscriptions for streaming video?

Nvidia does not care about the ISA of the CPU at all. They don't make it after all. Also not clear how they would kill x86. If they leave the market they cede it to AMD and Intel.

I didn't do any of this. In fact, you were the mastermind behind all this. You did this, you need to learn that you not only caused the problem; you are the origin of the problem. You will never learn, will you!

how is it a sub par GPU given it targets a specific segment (looking at it's price point, die area and memory & power envelope) with its configuration? You're upset that they didn't aim for a halo GPU and I can understand that, but how does this completely rule out a mid to high end offering from them? the 9000 series is reminiscent of nv10 versus vega10 GPUs like the 56, 64, even the Radeon 7; achieving _far_ more performance for less power and hardware.

> Nvidia does not care about the ISA of the CPU at all. That’s kinda my point. They’re stuck communicating over PCI-E instead of being a first-class co-processor over AMBA.

Sure, but do you need a discrete video card if you’re gaming on an ARM SoC? And we’ve seen from the struggles of x86 iGPUs that graphics APIs pretty much have to choose whether they’re going to optimize for dedicated VRAM or shared memory, cuz it has inescapable implications for how you structure a game engine. ARM APIs will probably continue optimizing for shared memory, so PCI-E GPUs will always be second-class citizens.

I've been able to use cuda accelerated cycles rendering in blender with my nearly 12 year old gt 750 for a decade. We aren't even talking RT cores, though they still have a solid lead yes. AMD didn't get the capability till basically the covid chip shortage and crypto bubble. When everything was unobtanium. Likewise, go talk to anyone that edits video semi professionally. Accelerated timeline rendering via cuda in premiere was massive. AMD and now Intel are supporting both finally. But are only roughly a decade late. And software is still maturing for them. I'm looking at upgrading to a battle mage card since they can support my workflows. Gaming and 3d modeling/raytracing. 2 years ago that wouldn't have been a possibility. Nvidia made a massively good investment and position with cuda.