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Debunking the grey market beyond Steam
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Wait but you can link Humble to steam and it checks what games you already own. GOG wants you to just have the local game files and an installer so they don't need this and don't need Valve's backend. Why pay valve for each download when you can host it yourself and not worry about the fee? Itch seems to agree with that. And then wouldn't everyone still be using Valve as a backend and they would have a monopoly on the infrastructure of all game downloads then? And could charge high rates to download?Humble still has to charge you entire Valve’s cut this way. 30% is way more than the real infra cost. Valve backend is effectively a public utility in this scenario. This thing has been proven to work and bring prices down fast. Actual free market.
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So now you decided to be condescending because you view yourself as a superior human and deface yourself to what you think others are like? Wow. That's awful.Me no waste time on people wasting me time. Valve good. Gib upvote.
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Humble still has to charge you entire Valve’s cut this way. 30% is way more than the real infra cost. Valve backend is effectively a public utility in this scenario. This thing has been proven to work and bring prices down fast. Actual free market.It wouldn't be a public utility they would be a company that needs to make a profit still and would find a way to do so with fees on downloads. And humble does not pay the 30% if you buy in their storefront currently. So your complaint is that prices are high and getting rid of Steam would alter that?
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Me no waste time on people wasting me time. Valve good. Gib upvote.You think I'm wasting your time? Boy howdy do I have a mind blower for you. You are wasting your own time. I can't do anything to it. And you are being pretty good at wasting that and yourself already. Wasting time by not even bothering looking at yourself and your actions is gonna delay you a lot.
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You think I'm wasting your time? Boy howdy do I have a mind blower for you. You are wasting your own time. I can't do anything to it. And you are being pretty good at wasting that and yourself already. Wasting time by not even bothering looking at yourself and your actions is gonna delay you a lot.Let’s move this convo to YouTube comments section, you’ll be more comfortable.
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It wouldn't be a public utility they would be a company that needs to make a profit still and would find a way to do so with fees on downloads. And humble does not pay the 30% if you buy in their storefront currently. So your complaint is that prices are high and getting rid of Steam would alter that?Monopolies that were broken down this way were private companies. You’re making an argument against something that’s proven to work. You don’t really support it well (or at all). How do you know Humble gets any discount?
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Let’s move this convo to YouTube comments section, you’ll be more comfortable.You are acting like a bully because you are upset about something and have decided to take it out on the largest target you could find and anyone that doesn't agree with you, or your method of acting like a bully.
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The wolfire games lawsuit is so damn cringe. No company is your friend, but there's a reason Steam is number 1. The reinvestment in the platform and breadth of features steam has is unrivaled. Epic has been trying for nearly a decade now and their store doesn't even have 1/4 the features of steam. I love GoG though. For me they offer something steam can't, installers for my games.
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Monopolies that were broken down this way were private companies. You’re making an argument against something that’s proven to work. You don’t really support it well (or at all). How do you know Humble gets any discount?Consider me not in your head to understand your perspective and try to get it across clearly to me. No sarcasm or condescending tone. I do not see how these are comparable and don't think of steam as a utility that owns the singular option for infrastructure as it's a digital service that others can and will spin up to avoid using Steams backend. They literally don't have to. And sure I am welcome to information if it is accurate and you have it.
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Consider me not in your head to understand your perspective and try to get it across clearly to me. No sarcasm or condescending tone. I do not see how these are comparable and don't think of steam as a utility that owns the singular option for infrastructure as it's a digital service that others can and will spin up to avoid using Steams backend. They literally don't have to. And sure I am welcome to information if it is accurate and you have it.You have a whole Wikipedia article that describes this into detail. I’m making an effort, you’re making none. Looks like sealioning to me.
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You have a whole Wikipedia article that describes this into detail. I’m making an effort, you’re making none. Looks like sealioning to me.I am asking you to explain your point. You can not rely on making others do your work for you. That is you obstructing your point through others. Make your point and make it clearly since you seem insistent on doing so.
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People talk about the "features" epic is missing but honestly the vast majority of those features are kinda pointless? I don't like epic's store because the layout is annoying and it likes to send me ads in the bottom right corner. It's not that complicated.I mean there's still no user review system lol. That is storefront 101 and they still don't have it. Congratulations for not using the other systems they have I guess? Many of steams users engage at least a little with a lot of what steam offers. Hell steam has integrated VR support, steam link for remote play, and fantastic 2FA account protection. Epic is way behind
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I am asking you to explain your point. You can not rely on making others do your work for you. That is you obstructing your point through others. Make your point and make it clearly since you seem insistent on doing so.Sealion.
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Sealion.Right. Ok then. You have wasted enough of your time. I hope you figure out how to make your life less miserable through actions rather than complaints.
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Right. Ok then. You have wasted enough of your time. I hope you figure out how to make your life less miserable through actions rather than complaints.I’m having fun because I don’t need to make up things to compensate for debilitating cognitive dissonance.
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Sure. Not being able to sell literal Steam keys on other platforms for less on other platforms for less according to the terms is the same as being prevented from selling on other platforms for less at all, *nevermind that Valve gets a 0% cut on Steam Key Sales made like so.* Also, there is no mention of said policy in either the OP article, nor the separate article about the lawsuit it links to.Nobody said anything about Steam keys. They don't let you sell games at lower prices, period. > Also, there is no mention of said policy in either the OP article, nor the separate article about the lawsuit it links to. Are you being serious, right now? The source isn't 2 clicks away so therefore it doesn't exist? Lawsuits are literally public knowledge. You should inform yourself about a topic before you get into a conversation about it. [Here.](https://www.classaction.org/media/wolfire-games-llc-et-al-v-valve-corporation.pdf) Perhaps you can stop defending the billion dollar company now.
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Only if you are selling a steam key elsewhere, they ask you to treat them equivalently but that doesn't mean you can't do sales for your products on other platforms. It's a little weird cause it would be like buying an apple app on android to use on apple but apple doesn't get the 30% anymore so they ask you to at least price it about the same so people don't avoid buying from them completely.
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I’m having fun because I don’t need to make up things to compensate for debilitating cognitive dissonance.
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> Only if you are selling a steam key elsewhere No. That's not true. You're spreading misinformation. Read the fucking lawsuit.https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys That's the policy on steam keys. If you are not using their steam keys it's not covered by their contract agreement at least. The lawsuit is not yet finished and while we can take their complaints into account we can't take them for fact. The case was already dismissed once because they argued the 30% was controlling the market but it's been there since day 1 of their storefront and has not changed to force game price changes. Beyond that they argue that Valve bought servers to take them offline to push players to them but... That's not really on this point of price controlling or the ability sell non steam keys. Literally RuneScape does this by offering memberships not available on steam. If you see something I am missing from the lawsuit please let me know, preferably without the hostility if you can manage.
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> Only if you are selling a steam key elsewhere No. That's not true. You're spreading misinformation. Read the fucking lawsuit.It is true. Valve does not enforce price parity for non Steam keys. Here is an example where the dev says that they are offering a better price on EGS because of the better cut: https://twitter.com/HeardOfTheStory/status/1700066610302603405 https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/heard-of-the-story-ff3758 https://store.steampowered.com/app/1881940/Heard_of_the_Story/ Pretty clear example of the same game having a lower base price on Epic than on Steam. Wolfire *claiming* Valve does this is something different from Valve actually doing it, and that's where the dispute lies. According to Valve, Wolfire's explanation of the price parity policy is incorrect. Here's the policy itself: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys#3 > You should use Steam Keys to sell your game on other stores in a similar way to how you sell your game on Steam. **It is important that you don’t give Steam customers a worse deal than Steam Key purchasers. ** The policy is pretty leanient regarding the "worse deal" aspect. You're allowed to have a sale on one platform but not on Steam, as long as you offer "something similar" at a different moment to Steam users too. > It's OK to run a discount for Steam Keys on different stores at different times as long as you plan to give a comparable offer to Steam customers within a reasonable amount of time. Even if you violate this policy, Valve will still sell your game, they may just stop providing you with Steam keys to sell. I don't see Wolfire winning this tbh.
