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Twitch’s new storage limits will purge huge swaths of Internet gaming history
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This post did not contain any content.speedrun.com leaderboards are going to be a wasteland of dead links. What do we do with records that get lost?
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speedrun.com leaderboards are going to be a wasteland of dead links. What do we do with records that get lost?Download them and host them yourself.
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it's not as easy as it sounds. The hosting on Twitch wasn't just for videos but for the chat logs synced to that video as well. So you can't just download the videos and upload them somewhere else you have to download them using Twitch's shitty tools so that you get the chat as well. That takes a lot of time but they only got about a month to do that. And that assumes that one actually has the time, energy, access and expertise to download the stuff. What about disabled streamers? What about families of deceased streamers? They now have a month to figure all this stuff out if they even receive the news at all.That is mainly an issue caused by the fact that the whole chat synchronization thing never got developed into an open format since everyone who cared about it was just fine with companies using their own proprietary format for it.
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Lol, twitch is pure cancer, the less of it exists the better. Youtube for all its flaws has redeeming qualities. Twitch is capitalising on primitive voyeurism and is another nail in the coffin of western civilisation. I look forward to the deletion.Just.. please, stop hating on stuff that doesn't concern you and focus on spreading positivity, man. That's what's gonna make the world a better place. Not hoping that stuff you don't like and understand will fail. You're just bringing yourself down.
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Yeah, I can sort of understand the impulse that everything must be preserved no matter what because we don't know what will be useful or interesting, but it's not realistic. Embrace ephemerality! It's fine!Even if you are in favor of preserving "everything", streamers produce a lot of crap that really is completely useless like a 30 minute start of the archived video that is just an image with a timer ticking down or just a static image.
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We have all got very accustomed to the notion that we can put content on a website and it will stay there forever, permanently available, as if that site somehow has an obligation to look after it. But they don't. It sucks, and there will be a lot of stuff lost, but it's also good to have a reminder that if there's data you really care about, you need to look after that data yourself.It seems like since my generation had "If you put something on the Internet it'll be there forever" drilled into us as kids, many of us feel entitled to "the internet" preserving our data for us. Most people don't realize how much labor and resource usage goes into preserving data forever.
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>I've watched under an hour of twitch streams in my entire life Of course you have...The only "streamer" I've watched is Emily Hopkins playing harp. I'd suggest that you check it out but the community is really nice and I don't think you'd fit in
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The only "streamer" I've watched is Emily Hopkins playing harp. I'd suggest that you check it out but the community is really nice and I don't think you'd fit inHow do you know the community so well watching for less than an hour!?
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This post did not contain any content.they should just build and maintain more datacenters to store millions of hours of useless video instead
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Just.. please, stop hating on stuff that doesn't concern you and focus on spreading positivity, man. That's what's gonna make the world a better place. Not hoping that stuff you don't like and understand will fail. You're just bringing yourself down.No it isn't. What will make the world a better place is the death of twitch and youtube and the replacement and proliferation of decentralised services like peertube. Twitch is one of the feuds of the oligarchy and deserves do be forgotten, permanently. For every cent made on twitch the CPAC got funds to elect people like Trump.
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It seems like since my generation had "If you put something on the Internet it'll be there forever" drilled into us as kids, many of us feel entitled to "the internet" preserving our data for us. Most people don't realize how much labor and resource usage goes into preserving data forever.Did you genuinely interpret that as a child to mean "If you put something on the Internet will be safe forever"? As I'm sure you are now aware as an adult, the intended meaning is very much "If you put something on the Internet which is embarrassing to you or damaging to your reputation, _then_ it will be around forever" It's a warning that the things you don't want to stick around could end up being precisely the things which do.
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Once again reinforcing the fact that "the cloud" is still someone else's computer. If you want control over your data, you really need to look into self hosting. Otherwise, don't be surprised when that someone else decides to change the rules for using their computer. I also can't help but think that the more the internet matures, the more the version we had in the 90's makes sense. Web 2.0 was a mistake.The cloud is one of the worst industry terms ever created. Old people still have zero concept and ability to understand how it works. Just had to deal with this with a grandmother who "backed up everything to the cloud before I reset it!"
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I agree in this case but this is what they thought at the dawn of computing, too and we lost a lot of history.True but at the dawn of computing we were too naïve. We couldn't imagine people would record _everything_.
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Download them and host them yourself.A month's notice just isn't enough time to archive this much history.
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I'm way more surprised that Twitch even has video storage that old. I have streamed a bit, and my videos were limited to one month? Maybe even less. Twitch was never meant for video storage, so this move is not unexpected. If you want to keep a video, download it, always. Even on Youtube you are not guaranteed to have videos forever. They still have my vid, which is almost 20 years old, nobody watches it... and it's helping no one. Which is to say we need better preservation methods for digital content.VODs do expire automatically, but Twitch has explicitly said in the past that if you want to archive something, highlight it. Highlights WERE meant for storage. So this feels like they're suddenly reneging on that.
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Even if you are in favor of preserving "everything", streamers produce a lot of crap that really is completely useless like a 30 minute start of the archived video that is just an image with a timer ticking down or just a static image.Those aren't typically included in highlights. I think what a lot of people are missing here is that this isn't just raw VODs, those already do expire automatically. But the highlight function was explicitly supposed to be for long-term archival, Twitch told users to highlight anything they want saved, and now that rug is getting pulled out from under them.
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The cloud is one of the worst industry terms ever created. Old people still have zero concept and ability to understand how it works. Just had to deal with this with a grandmother who "backed up everything to the cloud before I reset it!"It basically started out as a literal cloud for "everything else" in network diagrams.
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No it isn't. What will make the world a better place is the death of twitch and youtube and the replacement and proliferation of decentralised services like peertube. Twitch is one of the feuds of the oligarchy and deserves do be forgotten, permanently. For every cent made on twitch the CPAC got funds to elect people like Trump.I'd love a future where everything is decentralized and federated. But in the here and now, it's just not pragmatically feasible for any independent non-commercial service to challenge the sheer amount of bandwidth and infrastructure a service like Twitch needs. Look at how many competitors have already tried to take on Twitch and failed miserably, and those were commercial startups with VC money. Furthermore, even in the utopian future where ActivityPub streaming takes over, I still wouldn't want all this history to be lost. Like this is such a devastating blow to speedrun.com leaderboards, for example, so many records will now be dead links.
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Those aren't typically included in highlights. I think what a lot of people are missing here is that this isn't just raw VODs, those already do expire automatically. But the highlight function was explicitly supposed to be for long-term archival, Twitch told users to highlight anything they want saved, and now that rug is getting pulled out from under them.Want to bet it is largely a few idiots who took that to mean "highlight everything" who ruined that for everyone?
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Storing so many videos has a financial and ecological cost. When you reach thousands of hours of videos, it's time to ask yourself if it's really useful to keep them all.I look at a channel like Kitboga and I see immense value in keeping g over a thousand multiple-hours-long videos.
