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Twitch’s new storage limits will purge huge swaths of Internet gaming history
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>I've watched under an hour of twitch streams in my entire life Of course you have...The only "streamer" I've watched is Emily Hopkins playing harp. I'd suggest that you check it out but the community is really nice and I don't think you'd fit in
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The only "streamer" I've watched is Emily Hopkins playing harp. I'd suggest that you check it out but the community is really nice and I don't think you'd fit inHow do you know the community so well watching for less than an hour!?
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This post did not contain any content.they should just build and maintain more datacenters to store millions of hours of useless video instead
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Just.. please, stop hating on stuff that doesn't concern you and focus on spreading positivity, man. That's what's gonna make the world a better place. Not hoping that stuff you don't like and understand will fail. You're just bringing yourself down.No it isn't. What will make the world a better place is the death of twitch and youtube and the replacement and proliferation of decentralised services like peertube. Twitch is one of the feuds of the oligarchy and deserves do be forgotten, permanently. For every cent made on twitch the CPAC got funds to elect people like Trump.
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It seems like since my generation had "If you put something on the Internet it'll be there forever" drilled into us as kids, many of us feel entitled to "the internet" preserving our data for us. Most people don't realize how much labor and resource usage goes into preserving data forever.Did you genuinely interpret that as a child to mean "If you put something on the Internet will be safe forever"? As I'm sure you are now aware as an adult, the intended meaning is very much "If you put something on the Internet which is embarrassing to you or damaging to your reputation, _then_ it will be around forever" It's a warning that the things you don't want to stick around could end up being precisely the things which do.
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Once again reinforcing the fact that "the cloud" is still someone else's computer. If you want control over your data, you really need to look into self hosting. Otherwise, don't be surprised when that someone else decides to change the rules for using their computer. I also can't help but think that the more the internet matures, the more the version we had in the 90's makes sense. Web 2.0 was a mistake.The cloud is one of the worst industry terms ever created. Old people still have zero concept and ability to understand how it works. Just had to deal with this with a grandmother who "backed up everything to the cloud before I reset it!"
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I agree in this case but this is what they thought at the dawn of computing, too and we lost a lot of history.True but at the dawn of computing we were too naïve. We couldn't imagine people would record _everything_.
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Download them and host them yourself.A month's notice just isn't enough time to archive this much history.
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I'm way more surprised that Twitch even has video storage that old. I have streamed a bit, and my videos were limited to one month? Maybe even less. Twitch was never meant for video storage, so this move is not unexpected. If you want to keep a video, download it, always. Even on Youtube you are not guaranteed to have videos forever. They still have my vid, which is almost 20 years old, nobody watches it... and it's helping no one. Which is to say we need better preservation methods for digital content.VODs do expire automatically, but Twitch has explicitly said in the past that if you want to archive something, highlight it. Highlights WERE meant for storage. So this feels like they're suddenly reneging on that.
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Even if you are in favor of preserving "everything", streamers produce a lot of crap that really is completely useless like a 30 minute start of the archived video that is just an image with a timer ticking down or just a static image.Those aren't typically included in highlights. I think what a lot of people are missing here is that this isn't just raw VODs, those already do expire automatically. But the highlight function was explicitly supposed to be for long-term archival, Twitch told users to highlight anything they want saved, and now that rug is getting pulled out from under them.
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The cloud is one of the worst industry terms ever created. Old people still have zero concept and ability to understand how it works. Just had to deal with this with a grandmother who "backed up everything to the cloud before I reset it!"It basically started out as a literal cloud for "everything else" in network diagrams.
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No it isn't. What will make the world a better place is the death of twitch and youtube and the replacement and proliferation of decentralised services like peertube. Twitch is one of the feuds of the oligarchy and deserves do be forgotten, permanently. For every cent made on twitch the CPAC got funds to elect people like Trump.I'd love a future where everything is decentralized and federated. But in the here and now, it's just not pragmatically feasible for any independent non-commercial service to challenge the sheer amount of bandwidth and infrastructure a service like Twitch needs. Look at how many competitors have already tried to take on Twitch and failed miserably, and those were commercial startups with VC money. Furthermore, even in the utopian future where ActivityPub streaming takes over, I still wouldn't want all this history to be lost. Like this is such a devastating blow to speedrun.com leaderboards, for example, so many records will now be dead links.
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Those aren't typically included in highlights. I think what a lot of people are missing here is that this isn't just raw VODs, those already do expire automatically. But the highlight function was explicitly supposed to be for long-term archival, Twitch told users to highlight anything they want saved, and now that rug is getting pulled out from under them.Want to bet it is largely a few idiots who took that to mean "highlight everything" who ruined that for everyone?
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Storing so many videos has a financial and ecological cost. When you reach thousands of hours of videos, it's time to ask yourself if it's really useful to keep them all.I look at a channel like Kitboga and I see immense value in keeping g over a thousand multiple-hours-long videos.
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Want to bet it is largely a few idiots who took that to mean "highlight everything" who ruined that for everyone?I'd imagine the bulk of this is speedruns. Those add up to a lot of hours worth of VODs, but they are absolutely worth keeping. As I've said in another comment above, speedrun.com is suddenly going to be a graveyard of dead links.
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True but at the dawn of computing we were too naïve. We couldn't imagine people would record _everything_.I think the point is that you can't know what you don't know. They weren't naive back then, they were ignorant and limited by the technology of the time. We preserve stuff precisely because we don't know how it might be useful in the future. We have a name for things we know for sure won't be useful in the future: Trash.
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That is mainly an issue caused by the fact that the whole chat synchronization thing never got developed into an open format since everyone who cared about it was just fine with companies using their own proprietary format for it.So fuck them, for something they had no control or voice over?
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Streamers can host it themselves. From what I hear around Lemmy hosting and streaming video is so cheap it can be done without money from ads
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This post did not contain any content.I'm surprised Twitch hasn't done this sooner honestly. Considering some users have tens of thousand of hours worth of 1080p full length streams, I can only imagine how many terrabytes of data these users have been utilizing on their servers. This should be a cautionary tale for anyone that relies too much on the cloud. You need to have your own local backups for when, not if, this eventually happens to other cloud providers in the future.
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I think the point is that you can't know what you don't know. They weren't naive back then, they were ignorant and limited by the technology of the time. We preserve stuff precisely because we don't know how it might be useful in the future. We have a name for things we know for sure won't be useful in the future: Trash.Yes, absolutely, but we also preserve everything because separating the wheat from the chaff is too much work. For example, most people store all the pictures they take because it's easier than selecting the ones we might want later. But we kmow some of them are useless.
