If torpor isn't defined by body temperature but it's about "metabolic rate" then why is the diapause of the ants (other insects also participate) not considered torpor?
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I don't know anymore.
diapause seems like the most general term? so everything that hibernates is in diapause.I need an Euler diagram STAT of:
hibernation
estivation (or aestivation?)
diapause
dormancy
brumation
napping
torporWith the differences and various example animals.
(If AI did what it claimed this would be a great task to ask from AI, but, in fact, this is the kind of thing LLMs are the worst at: making categorizations logically... and not making up animals)
@futurebird This is the kind of data I wish Wikidata had evolved into tracking https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30090244
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@futurebird This is the kind of data I wish Wikidata had evolved into tracking https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30090244
@futurebird I still want to live in the universe where "AI" meant "Wolfram Alpha with an absurd budget" and not "MegaHAL with an absurd budget"
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I don't know anymore.
diapause seems like the most general term? so everything that hibernates is in diapause.I need an Euler diagram STAT of:
hibernation
estivation (or aestivation?)
diapause
dormancy
brumation
napping
torporWith the differences and various example animals.
(If AI did what it claimed this would be a great task to ask from AI, but, in fact, this is the kind of thing LLMs are the worst at: making categorizations logically... and not making up animals)
@futurebird @Photo55 can we add brumation to that list too because I do _not_ understand
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I don't know anymore.
diapause seems like the most general term? so everything that hibernates is in diapause.I need an Euler diagram STAT of:
hibernation
estivation (or aestivation?)
diapause
dormancy
brumation
napping
torporWith the differences and various example animals.
(If AI did what it claimed this would be a great task to ask from AI, but, in fact, this is the kind of thing LLMs are the worst at: making categorizations logically... and not making up animals)
@futurebird
Americans might call it estivation? -
@futurebird
Americans might call it estivation?oy used the same word twice when I was trying to give both.
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@futurebird @Photo55 can we add brumation to that list too because I do _not_ understand
I sometimes do a little assembly about ants for kids, naturally I like everything to be correct, so I've been careful for years to always say "where do ants go in winter? they do something like hibernation but since they are insects and not warm-blooded we call it diapause."
Now I need to figure out what to say.
I'd rather just say "ants hibernate in winter" because they do it for the same reason as a bear or mouse, and it's similar in many ways.
But people get mad.
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@futurebird @Photo55 can we add brumation to that list too because I do _not_ understand
@futurebird @Photo55 i mean this is all i got and it's not good
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I sometimes do a little assembly about ants for kids, naturally I like everything to be correct, so I've been careful for years to always say "where do ants go in winter? they do something like hibernation but since they are insects and not warm-blooded we call it diapause."
Now I need to figure out what to say.
I'd rather just say "ants hibernate in winter" because they do it for the same reason as a bear or mouse, and it's similar in many ways.
But people get mad.
Kids know the concept of "hibernation" it's helpful to extend it to explain what ants an other insect that overwinter are doing.
Of course some ants just try to come inside your house for winter, but that's another matter.
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I sometimes do a little assembly about ants for kids, naturally I like everything to be correct, so I've been careful for years to always say "where do ants go in winter? they do something like hibernation but since they are insects and not warm-blooded we call it diapause."
Now I need to figure out what to say.
I'd rather just say "ants hibernate in winter" because they do it for the same reason as a bear or mouse, and it's similar in many ways.
But people get mad.
Laptops hibernate. If it is good enough for them...
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I sometimes do a little assembly about ants for kids, naturally I like everything to be correct, so I've been careful for years to always say "where do ants go in winter? they do something like hibernation but since they are insects and not warm-blooded we call it diapause."
Now I need to figure out what to say.
I'd rather just say "ants hibernate in winter" because they do it for the same reason as a bear or mouse, and it's similar in many ways.
But people get mad.
It's been a long, long time since I was at school. I read "a little assembly about ants" and immediately visualised Meccano.
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I sometimes do a little assembly about ants for kids, naturally I like everything to be correct, so I've been careful for years to always say "where do ants go in winter? they do something like hibernation but since they are insects and not warm-blooded we call it diapause."
Now I need to figure out what to say.
I'd rather just say "ants hibernate in winter" because they do it for the same reason as a bear or mouse, and it's similar in many ways.
But people get mad.
@futurebird @moira @Photo55 Is the difference: mammals>>Oh, seasons changing, better eat up so I can sleep! // ants>>Oh, seasons changing, better eat up before my body ceases to function!
Don't...don't turtles hibernate?
Wait. Noe I'm confused.
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I sometimes do a little assembly about ants for kids, naturally I like everything to be correct, so I've been careful for years to always say "where do ants go in winter? they do something like hibernation but since they are insects and not warm-blooded we call it diapause."
Now I need to figure out what to say.
I'd rather just say "ants hibernate in winter" because they do it for the same reason as a bear or mouse, and it's similar in many ways.
But people get mad.
Well, maybe ant *nests* hibernate. I'd bet money that, like honeybee nests, they are endothermic.
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Well, maybe ant *nests* hibernate. I'd bet money that, like honeybee nests, they are endothermic.
Him! Interesting place for some Citizen Science!
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Well, maybe ant *nests* hibernate. I'd bet money that, like honeybee nests, they are endothermic.
I don't know about every ant species, but carpenter ants were tested to see if they warmed their nest at all and they do not.
They are more concerned with humidity it seems.
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@futurebird @moira @Photo55 Ah, very cool. I was thinking more in terms of S. Invicta. Probly bigger biomass, even in winter.
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@futurebird @moira @Photo55 Ah, very cool. I was thinking more in terms of S. Invicta. Probly bigger biomass, even in winter.
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@futurebird @moira @Photo55 Ah, very cool. I was thinking more in terms of S. Invicta. Probly bigger biomass, even in winter.
And I know that they too are very concerned with humidity, moving up and down in the nest to stay comfortable.
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@futurebird I still want to live in the universe where "AI" meant "Wolfram Alpha with an absurd budget" and not "MegaHAL with an absurd budget"
@mcc @futurebird and they didn't even give us HAL
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Maybe just what you just said? “Ants do something like hibernation”. @moira @Photo55 @futurebird
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@mcc @futurebird and they didn't even give us HAL
@IngaLovinde @futurebird (MegaHAL was an open source chatbot program from around the year 2000 that, when given text input, added it to a markov chain text model and generated "conversational" responses. Back in the day I hooked it up to both IRC and AOL Instant Messenger, and I actually witnessed it passing the Turing Test, not because MegaHAL was smart, but because people are very prone to seeing the work of minds in random data.)
