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Epic reduce their cut to 0% for the first $1 million in revenue for devs on the Epic Games Store
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I mean, they don't need to support Linux, you can get an offline installer right from their web app. Even if Heroic didn't solve that problem entirely (which it kinda does) you could still work around it. And I hear this "DRM on Steam is optional" a lot of the time, but it's... kinda not? Even Valve admits their Steamworks integration is a soft form of DRM. Plus the point of GoG is not that you *can* have games with no DRM in it, it's that you *have* to. You buy a game, it's yours to keep. That's a massive paradigm shift. Steam exists *specifically* to avoid that.> Even if Heroic didn't solve that problem entirely (which it kinda does) It actually doesn't. Half the apps I install through Heroic don't work. Meanwhile Steam games work 100% of the time. That's the problem. > Plus the point of GoG is not that you can have games with no DRM in it, it's that you have to. Don't really see the practical difference except that it has like 1% of Steam's library for that reason.
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Where are you getting 0.1%? According to [Steam Hardware Survey](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey) Linux is over 2% of Steam Users. This puts Linux way ahead of Mac which supported by Epic
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> Even if Heroic didn't solve that problem entirely (which it kinda does) It actually doesn't. Half the apps I install through Heroic don't work. Meanwhile Steam games work 100% of the time. That's the problem. > Plus the point of GoG is not that you can have games with no DRM in it, it's that you have to. Don't really see the practical difference except that it has like 1% of Steam's library for that reason.Yeah, well, I've had better luck with Heroic than Steam proper, even if Heroic is using Proton and Gamescope as well. I guess that's the nature of Linux gaming (still) despite what people like to say. As for the practical difference, it boils down to my GoG library being safely backed up in storage media and preserved safely. If that doesn't matter to you... well, I can't help you, but you're wrong. Either way, if the market broke a different way and GoG had a bigger share (or if Steam matched its policies) that library would not be impacted nearly as much.
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Valve is the only one in PC gaming to push an alternative operating system to Windows. EGS, GOG,... all enforce a Windows hegemony. GOG Galaxy isn't even available on Linux, despite the fact that it's built on cross platform frameworks that make porting easy. Proton by Valve is open source and GOG Galaxy would be free to integrate it. Heroic Launcher is a community effort that shows that it would be possible without massive investments. Epic and GOG/CD Project just chose not to.Sure. They also chose not to have their own layer of controller translation or their own game recording backend. Linux is 2% of the market even on Steam with official support. DRM-free means DRM-free for everybody. I would like more official Linux support, but I'll take good unofficial support in the meantime. There's no workaround for monpolistic positions or mandatory DRM-free policies.
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Yeah, well, I've had better luck with Heroic than Steam proper, even if Heroic is using Proton and Gamescope as well. I guess that's the nature of Linux gaming (still) despite what people like to say. As for the practical difference, it boils down to my GoG library being safely backed up in storage media and preserved safely. If that doesn't matter to you... well, I can't help you, but you're wrong. Either way, if the market broke a different way and GoG had a bigger share (or if Steam matched its policies) that library would not be impacted nearly as much.> Yeah, well, I've had better luck with Heroic than Steam proper I don't believe you. > it boils down to my GoG library being safely backed up in storage media and preserved safely You can do the same with DRM-free Steam games. If you don't understand that, I can't help you but you're wrong.
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Epic only does it because they know they're the underdog. If that were to one day become untrue they would never do anything like this again.
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Where are you getting 0.1%? According to [Steam Hardware Survey](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey) Linux is over 2% of Steam Users. This puts Linux way ahead of Mac which supported by Epic
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They will continue doing it if they need to compete. Capitalism working as intended. Who would've thought
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Sure, I'm just saying Epic is not any better than Valve in that regard. They're just in a different position.
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Steam is, in my opinion, way better for the user (even if it may be worse for the developer). Epic lacks features that are important to me like reviews, the ability to view your library in a browser, warnings about DRM, Linux support, a hole bunch of features to discover games, a workshop, big picture mode. Additionally, in my experience at least, their official launcher under Windows is a buggy mess compared to steam.EGS has reviews as far as I can tell. I still think Steam is better, but this is a welcome move out of them. Competition is a good thing
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Steam really needs something like this. Even the first 100k would be a great start for boosting indie devs. Instead they do the opposite and reward the big players. >Steam actually reduces their cut as you hit certain milestones. For your first $10M in sales, they take that standard 30%. Hit the $10M mark, and their cut drops to 25% for sales between $10M and $50M. Push past $50M, and Steam only takes 20%.Steam keeps getting slammed from both sides. They keep getting accused of being a monopoly, , while also getting accused of their rates. But if they drop their rates they get accused of being anticompetitive and monopolistic. So if they do something similar like Epic, they'll go back to using their monopoly over the market to keep competitors down.
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EGS has reviews as far as I can tell. I still think Steam is better, but this is a welcome move out of them. Competition is a good thingThe way Epics reviews work are awful, though. They are trying to be really attractive to developers but they aren’t attractive enough to USERS. For example, you have to be INVITED to review games on Epic. The system is automated and will occasionally ask for a review after you close a game, assuming you’ve been playing long enough. They claim it’s to avoid things like “review bombing”, but that’s a cop-out to shield bad developers/publishers from the repercussions of their actions (like when Denuvo was non-consensually added to Ghostwire Tokyo a year after release).
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Here's a different take, as a game dev: Epic actual employs quite a few people who work with Linux. The Unreal engine (and even, to a certain degree, editor) has native support for Linux. The reasons they're not including Linux support in their store front are two fold: 1) There aren't enough pure Linux users to matter - 0.1% of an already small user base is negligible. 2) The only serious Linux user base in gaming relates to the Steam Deck, a product that pushes a rival (and the dominant) store front. While Valve's move to push Linux gaming is brilliant for us gamers, it also kind of cements us in their camp. There is absolutely no reason for Epic to support Linux in anyway, and it absolutely supports their bottom line to attack it. And, no, it isn't because of any David v. Goliath tale of a little guy standing up to a brute: it's because a fellow giant has decided to ally itself with Linux, and all of us have - invariably - been shuffled into their camp. I think the Epic Games Store has a place in this world as a niche storefront with limited visibility but higher access to sales profits as a result of that. They'll never grow to the size of Steam, and that's okay. The largest storefront in the world supports Linux not just on its platform, but by developing tools for everyone that makes Linux gaming viable. That is enough, IMO.2 is only true because they refuse to support it, and it's going to be great to see them walk back everything they said once it's too late. More handhelds are going to launch with official steamOS support, and a new batch of steam machines will come eventually, with a much better support. In the same way they tell how to side load an apk in android, they can could tell you how to install heroic on the deck. Hell, through 10-20 K to heroic and they will make it for you simple.
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GOG and Itch are both great services. Epic is run by a psychopath and working hard to create the walled garden they themselves have been railing against. That's why EGS can go to hell but I'll gladly buy from the others.
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From the POV of steam, you want the big releases to happen on your platform and take your cut even if its a bit smaller. In the end people change platforms for the big releases. Its the main reason I haven't fully switched to GOG yet, it doesn't have the major releases I want (or gets them late like Kingdom Come Deliverance 2). You can spread idealism, but I rather stay realistic.
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